Umpire error, or BOO?

[SRW]

3-0 count on B1. Next pitch is ball 4, but neither B1, OC or PU realize it. PU calls 3-0 count, and B1 stays in the box. Next pitch is fouled off by B1. O coach asks PU if that was ball 4 on the previous pitch. PU asks BU what he has for a count. BU says he had ball 4 on the last pitch, and now he has 0-1. They check with the home book, confirming ball 4 was indeed thrown, and the last pitch was fouled off.

Is the count now 3-1 to B1, or do you have BOO to B2 with a non-awarded base on balls?

NCAA, NFHS, and ASA please.

(and no, this did not happen to me. )

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by SRW

3-0 count on B1. Next pitch is ball 4, but neither B1, OC or PU realize it. PU calls 3-0 count, and B1 stays in the box. Next pitch is fouled off by B1. O coach asks PU if that was ball 4 on the previous pitch. PU asks BU what he has for a count. BU says he had ball 4 on the last pitch, and now he has 0-1. They check with the home book, confirming ball 4 was indeed thrown, and the last pitch was fouled off.

Is the count now 3-1 to B1, or do you have BOO to B2 with a non-awarded base on balls?

NCAA, NFHS, and ASA please.

(and no, this did not happen to me. )

This is one of the more correctable errors possible in a game, so I correct it.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

This is one of the more correctable errors possible in a game, so I correct it.

I see three reasonable "corrections" here.

Is your correction to put the batter on first base ... and if so, does the next batter have an 0-1 count?

Or does the batter now have a 3-1 count?

(Personally, I think an umpire could justify any of the above. I believe I'd be putting the batter on 1st, no count on the next batter - that next "pitch" wasn't really a pitch - BR had not yet accepted her award, so all we really had was pitcher and catcher throwing the ball back and forth)

This does raise an interesting question... two really...
1) Does your answer change if it was strike three instead of ball four?
2) What do you do if batter hits that 4-1 pitch?

[x-tremeump]

This does raise an interesting question... two really...
1) Does your answer change if it was strike three instead of ball four?
2) What do you do if batter hits that 4-1 pitch?


Please tell us, we are just waiting for your words to Umpire by. Maybe the old Irish Ump with the ear rings can help.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by xtreamump

This does raise an interesting question... two really...
1) Does your answer change if it was strike three instead of ball four?
2) What do you do if batter hits that 4-1 pitch?


Please tell us, we are just waiting for your words to Umpire by. Maybe the old Irish Ump with the ear rings can help.

Um .... what?

[CecilOne]

Thank you for typing my thought:
" I believe I'd be putting the batter on 1st, no count on the next batter - that next "pitch" wasn't really a pitch - BR had not yet accepted her award, so all we really had was pitcher and catcher throwing the ball back and forth"

[x-tremeump]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Um .... what?

Just asking what is the answer to your 2 questions ?