greatest interference play i ever heard

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by andyump

interference happened after the runner crossed home

Doesn't matter.

[andyump]

remember fellow umps last base touched at the time of interference so runner on 3rd already touched home when inter ference occurs

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by andyump

remember fellow umps last base touched at the time of interference so runner on 3rd already touched home when inter ference occurs

Answer my previous question about the ball being caught. Do you care then that the runner has already crossed home? Or, will you honor the appeal?

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by andyump

remember fellow umps last base touched at the time of interference so runner on 3rd already touched home when inter ference occurs

Oh...also, for the play you stated in the OP, the information you provide here is totally irrelevant.

[rwest]

Originally Posted by Skahtboi

Oh...also, for the play you stated in the OP, the information you provide here is totally irrelevant.

It is most certainly relevant as on any interference call, you put runners back to the last base touched.

[JefferMC]

In my old 2008 ASA rule book:

Originally Posted by 8.2

BATTER RUNNER IS OUT...K. When the immediate previous runner who is not out intentionally interferes, in the umpire’s judgment, with a fielder who is attempting to catch a thrown ball or throw a ball in an attempt to complete the play on the batter-runner.
EFFECT: The runner shall also be called out.

and

Originally Posted by 5.5.B

No run shall be scored if the third out of the inning is the result of:
1. A batter-runner being called out prior to reaching first base or any other
runner forced out due to the batter becoming a batter-runner. On an
appeal play, the force out is determined when the appeal is made, not
when the infraction occurred.

R2 would have been the "immediate" previous runner, no? No run scores.

EDIT: Oops, 8.2.K is a "thrown" ball. Hmmm...

[rwest]

Also, the interference was on batted ball, not a thrown ball. So 8.2.K doesn't apply. The exception to 8.7J-L does apply. If the interference prevents the fielder from catching a routine fly ball, fair or foul, with ordinary effort, the batter is also out.

So if there were two outs, then the run would not score.

[Tru_in_Blu]

From the offense's perspective, I think this only works with less than 2 outs.

The ball becomes dead at the time of interference.

When there is interference, return any runners to the last base touched at the time of the interference.

For this to work for the offense, timing is important. R2 must not interfere until R1 has touched or crossed home.

By rule, I think you score the run.

At a NUS a couple of years ago, I presented a similar scenario to our instructors. KR ruled that the run would score. I'm not sure, but this may have also been included in one of the ASA rules and clarifications articles.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by Tru_in_Blu

From the offense's perspective, I think this only works with less than 2 outs.

The ball becomes dead at the time of interference.

When there is interference, return any runners to the last base touched at the time of the interference.

For this to work for the offense, timing is important. R2 must not interfere until R1 has touched or crossed home.

By rule, I think you score the run.

At a NUS a couple of years ago, I presented a similar scenario to our instructors. KR ruled that the run would score. I'm not sure, but this may have also been included in one of the ASA rules and clarifications articles.

Less than 1 out. The runner is out, and by the rule cited rwest, the batter-runner would also be out.

[rwest]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

Doesn't matter.

You don't put the runner back on third. He touched home before the appeal. Score the run, but wait to leave the field to give the defense an opportunity to appeal the runner leaving early.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by rwest

You don't put the runner back on third. He touched home before the appeal. Score the run, but wait to leave the field to give the defense an opportunity to appeal the runner leaving early.

Correct, but if the batter-runner is retired before safely reaching 1B, then no runs score if that's the 3rd out.

The only way this would result in the runner scoring is if there are no outs.

[rwest]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

Correct, but if the batter-runner is retired before safely reaching 1B, then no runs score if that's the 3rd out.

The only way this would result in the runner scoring is if there are no outs.

However, the OP never said anything about the number of outs. Did it?

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by rwest

However, the OP never said anything about the number of outs. Did it?

No, I think a number of us (myself included) assumed there were 2 outs.

[Tru_in_Blu]

Originally Posted by rwest

You don't put the runner back on third. He touched home before the appeal. Score the run, but wait to leave the field to give the defense an opportunity to appeal the runner leaving early.

There was no catch, so the runner leaving early or late is moot.

[andyump]

sorry fellow umps there were no outs and you can not appeal the play, the ball was never caught, glad eeryone is putting in there input