Ending Game

[Dakota]

8-6-22 is not an appeal play.

[RadioBlue]

Originally Posted by Dakota

8-6-22 is not an appeal play.

Are you saying you're gonna automatically make that call without being asked by the defense?

[Dakota]

I would in a non-walk-off situation, so why is the walk-off situation different? I've read a number of umpires SAY this needs to be appealed by the defense, but where is the rule backing that up? The runner did not miss the base; she failed to advance.

If the run would be disallowed if the defense appealed, why would not the run be disallowed without the appeal?

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by Dakota

If the run would be disallowed if the defense appealed, why would not the run be disallowed without the appeal?

Not a disagreement with your original interpretation, but to this question, lots of things are accepted/ignored if not appealed.

[vcblue]

Wouldn't you need to achieve a base to abandon a base? She did not abandon 1st base, she never reached 2nd base. This is either a live ball out or missed base appeal.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by vcblue

Wouldn't you need to achieve a base to abandon a base? She did not abandon 1st base, she never reached 2nd base. This is either a live ball out or missed base appeal.

Ask yourself this then... on a walk, can the defense get a force out by throwing to 2nd? No. So this can't be a live ball out. And you can't have a missed base unless they achieved the base as well.

The ONLY out available here is abandonment, which does not qualify for disallowing R1's run (again, assuming we're talking 2nd or 3rd base here).

[vcblue]

I had to run out to the car to get the case book. Just read the NFHS Case book, Page 64. Based on the two case plays the runner MAY be called out. We had a abandoned base situation in So-cal this year. BR hit a shot to the left of F5. F5 does not catch the ball. BR thinks she does and after reaching 1st walks off the base towards her dugout. BU calls time and places her back on 1st. DC protest because she walked off the base after F1 had the ball in the circle. CIF upheld the umpires decision. Therefore if this play happened in California the umpire could call time and place the runner on 2nd to end the game based on rule 8-6-22

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by vcblue

Wouldn't you need to achieve a base to abandon a base? She did not abandon 1st base, she never reached 2nd base....

Neither case ruling on 8-6-22 talks about abandoning "a base". The first says the runner is out for "giving up" and the second says the runner is out for "abandoning her effort to run the bases." (Case plays 8.6.22 A and B). In this situation, runner is "abandoning her effort to run the bases".

Since the BOB is a base award to all of the runners, I'm not 100% convinced R3's failure to advance would disallow the run anyway. This is not a force, because the runner is not in jeopardy. What, then, would be the basis for disallowing the run even if you called R3 out?

[MD Longhorn]

Nothing. ASA has taught for years that only BR and R1 are relevant in this situation, regarding whether the run scores or not.

[RadioBlue]

Originally Posted by Dakota

Neither case ruling on 8-6-22 talks about abandoning "a base". The first says the runner is out for "giving up" and the second says the runner is out for "abandoning her effort to run the bases." (Case plays 8.6.22 A and B). In this situation, runner is "abandoning her effort to run the bases".

Since the BOB is a base award to all of the runners, I'm not 100% convinced R3's failure to advance would disallow the run anyway. This is not a force, because the runner is not in jeopardy. What, then, would be the basis for disallowing the run even if you called R3 out?

I disagree. This IS a force play because the runner is forced to advance because of the batter becoming a batter-runner. Agreed, there's no option for a force OUT, but this is by definintion a FORCE PLAY.