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I wasn't at my best yesterday, please help!
After doing this for 4+ years I take pride in trying to do the best job possible when I'm on the diamond.Yesterday I truly didn't know what to do and after looking at the rulebook I'm still unsure if I got it at all even partially right.This was a Junior High game ASA rules. Runners on 3rd and 2nd base no outs.B/R had an 2 and 2 count that I announced before the next pitch.On the next pitch I called Strike 3 and catcher dropped ball.There was no movement by B/R or the catcher. Catcher returns ball to the pitcher when I again said strike 3 on the batter showing 3 fingers and speaking loud enough that my partner in "C" position heard me.The next part of this was sur-real. Pitcher delivers the ball over the plate where the hitter with 3 strikes hits the ball in to the alley in right center and the two base runners crossed the plate.The defensive team had the game well in hand at this point of the game but the coach said there was 3 strikes on the batter and I said yes coach there were but your pitcher pitched the ball back over the plate.I got together with my partner and he stated that it now becomes a batting out of order appeal.I came back to the defensive coach and told her that it was incumbent upon her pitcher and catcher to know what to do in a dropped 3rd strike situation. I have several questions
1)What is the ASA rule for this boondoggle? 2)How do you fix this? 2)How do I correct this in the future without aiding either the offense or defensive side? |
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First, I can't figure out how you let the batter in the box and the pitcher pitch to her. But be that as it may, I guess you have BOO, bring runners back, proper batter is out. |
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When the retired batter attempted to step back into the batter's box, showing the DO NOT PITCH signal to F1 while telling retired batter she is out on strike three should have sent her to the dugout. For a BOO there would need to be a proper appeal. |
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You can't tell them what to do, but you should not at this point be behind the plate. My suggestion? Stand off to the side, continuing to hold up 3 fingers, and say, "Batter, that was strike 3." Which it was. If the defense remains clueless, eventually the batter will either return to the dugout (OUT) or her coaches will get a clue and send her to 1st base.
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"NO PITCH, NO PITCH" Then the ball is dead and the batter/runner is out. You are allowed to use common sense. |
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My mistake saying batter is out on strike three. When the batter tried stepping back into the batter's box, had the PU movrd away from the plate area and declared it was the third strike again might have clued the players on their next course of action. |
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Thanks for your answers. I've had numerous dropped 3 strikes where the B/R or pitcher "froze" but eventually did what they needed to do. After this debacle I'll step away to the side and let them figure it out.
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Okay...for what it is worth, here is my take on this.
You should have never allowed the pitch to the batter who had three strikes, period. That part should have never happened. You could stand there the rest of the day, if necessary, and kept repeating to the coaches and the batter "that was strike three." Sooner or later, somebody (as has already been stated) would have figured it out. The the batter would have run or returned to her dugout, with the outcomes being the ones the Tom has already stated. Once you allowed the batter who had struck out to be pitched to, you placed the offensive team in jeopardy of a BOO. Once again, you cannot do this. An umpire cannot place a team in jeopardy of being penalized either by his action or inaction, as in your case. You also put the defensive team in the untenable position of giving up runs they would have otherwise (maybe) not given up. You can't do that either. The only choice you had at that point, IMO, is calling the batter out and returning all runners to the base they occupied at the time of the pitch (2 and 3). You would now have one out. New batter. You will probably receive a bunch of flak, but because your inaction created the mess to begin with, you should happily take it and use it as a learning moment.
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Okay this is just another idea. Since it could not be a pitch, it was a throw to F2 to attempt to retire the batter. The batter intentionally interfered with the defense, therefore the batter is out for strike three, and the runner closest to home is out for the interference. Two outs to harsh? okay the runner at third is out on the interference and the batter is awarded first. The key thing here is it is NOT a pitch but interference by the batter.
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What I practice is on a drop third strike I step out of my position and hold. The coach should at that time know that the batter is out and she needs to vacate the box and sit down for not swinging at a third strike.
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There are a lot of things coaches should know. Hell, just from hanging around the diamond they should pick up a few things by osmosis. Yes, some know. For others ... no, they don't know. (Side note: Coach, go get a frappin indaclickerator down at the sporting good store.)
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