I wasn't at my best yesterday, please help!

[MichaelVA2000]

Originally Posted by HugoTafurst

This is one ofthe strangest things I've ever heard.
First, I can't figure out how you let the batter in the box and the pitcher pitch to her.

But be that as it may, I guess you have BOO, bring runners back, proper batter is out.

Like Hugo, I am wondering why F1 was allowed to pitch to the retired batter.

When the retired batter attempted to step back into the batter's box, showing the DO NOT PITCH signal to F1 while telling retired batter she is out on strike three should have sent her to the dugout.

For a BOO there would need to be a proper appeal.

[LIIRISHMAN]

Originally Posted by MichaelVA2000

Like Hugo, I am wondering why F1 was allowed to pitch to the retired batter.

When the retired batter attempted to step back into the batter's box, showing the DO NOT PITCH signal to F1 while telling retired batter she is out on strike three should have sent her to the dugout.

For a BOO there would need to be a proper appeal.

How could I declare batter out when the catcher dropped the ball.B/R was still in the box and my hand was up until I showed the 3 fingers to my partner. There was no tag placed on the B/R nor was there a throw to the 1st basemen.I can't tell the defense what they should do,can I otherwise I'm showing favortism to the defensive team aren't I?

[Dakota]

You can't tell them what to do, but you should not at this point be behind the plate. My suggestion? Stand off to the side, continuing to hold up 3 fingers, and say, "Batter, that was strike 3." Which it was. If the defense remains clueless, eventually the batter will either return to the dugout (OUT) or her coaches will get a clue and send her to 1st base.

[youngump]

Originally Posted by Dakota

You can't tell them what to do, but you should not at this point be behind the plate. My suggestion? Stand off to the side, continuing to hold up 3 fingers, and say, "Batter, that was strike 3." Which it was. If the defense remains clueless, eventually the batter will either return to the dugout (OUT) or her coaches will get a clue and send her to 1st base.

And if no one has a clue still and the pitcher has the ball and attempts to throw underhand to the catcher (this is not a pitch), when the BR intentionally interferes with that throw (by hitting it to right field), call a dead ball and rule the BR out.
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[wadeintothem]

Dont try to figure out how to deal with this issue; the only thing you need to know is to prevent this next time. Hold time if you have to, but that batters out. Other than that, its a no pitch IMO - not a BOO. I think you bear the brunt of the responsibility here.

[HugoTafurst]

Originally Posted by LIIRISHMAN

How could I declare batter out when the catcher dropped the ball.B/R was still in the box and my hand was up until I showed the 3 fingers to my partner. There was no tag placed on the B/R nor was there a throw to the 1st basemen.I can't tell the defense what they should do,can I otherwise I'm showing favortism to the defensive team aren't I?

"NO PITCH, NO PITCH"

Then the ball is dead and the batter/runner is out.
You are allowed to use common sense.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by HugoTafurst

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You are allowed to use common sense.

Rule cite, please?

Several years ago doing a ASA 12u B tournament had a batter strike out swing. I gave a strike signal and said strike thee loud enough for the catcher and hitter to hear. I stepped back cleared my indicator, next batter stepped in the batter's box hit the next pitch and made it safe on first base.

D coach came up and said the runner on first was the one that you just called out. I looked at his score book, checked my line up card sure enough it was the same batter. I had BOO.

O coach was very upset and wanted to call the UIC over. UIC came and I told both of them I gave the strike signal and told the catcher and batter that was strike three. It was not my responsibly to make sure the correct batter was coming to bat. I'm here to umpire not to coach. UIC agreed, BOO play on.

Even at lower level rec ball I will tell the batter several times strike three but at what point is it the coaches responsibly and not yours.

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by Dakota

Rule cite, please?

ok, you got me back.. no making someone crack up at work.

[HugoTafurst]

Originally Posted by Dakota

Rule cite, please?

Because I said so.

Don't like it?
Show me the money...

[IamMatt]

This guy made the most of a dropped third strike...I don't speak the language, but I am pretty sure I heard "WTF" in Japanese.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5G1pHXOtMg

[Crabby_Bob]

Originally Posted by IamMatt

This guy made the most of a dropped third strike...I don't speak the language, but I am pretty sure I heard "WTF" in Japanese.

YouTube - Dropped Third Strike = Home Run

I like the part where the umpire ridicules the catcher.

[MichaelVA2000]

Originally Posted by MichaelVA2000

When the retired batter attempted to step back into the batter's box, showing the DO NOT PITCH signal to F1 while telling retired batter she is out on strike three should have sent her to the dugout.

My mistake saying batter is out on strike three.

When the batter tried stepping back into the batter's box, had the PU movrd away from the plate area and declared it was the third strike again might have clued the players on their next course of action.

[LIIRISHMAN]

Thanks for your answers. I've had numerous dropped 3 strikes where the B/R or pitcher "froze" but eventually did what they needed to do. After this debacle I'll step away to the side and let them figure it out.

[Skahtboi]

Okay...for what it is worth, here is my take on this.

You should have never allowed the pitch to the batter who had three strikes, period. That part should have never happened. You could stand there the rest of the day, if necessary, and kept repeating to the coaches and the batter "that was strike three." Sooner or later, somebody (as has already been stated) would have figured it out. The the batter would have run or returned to her dugout, with the outcomes being the ones the Tom has already stated.

Once you allowed the batter who had struck out to be pitched to, you placed the offensive team in jeopardy of a BOO. Once again, you cannot do this. An umpire cannot place a team in jeopardy of being penalized either by his action or inaction, as in your case. You also put the defensive team in the untenable position of giving up runs they would have otherwise (maybe) not given up. You can't do that either. The only choice you had at that point, IMO, is calling the batter out and returning all runners to the base they occupied at the time of the pitch (2 and 3). You would now have one out. New batter. You will probably receive a bunch of flak, but because your inaction created the mess to begin with, you should happily take it and use it as a learning moment.