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Old Mon May 11, 2009, 08:48am
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Why? Are you saying that F5's throw to F3 and F3 subsequent tagging of first base before B/R5 touched first base is an advantageous fourth out appeal?

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Wow... My reading skills on this forum has gone downhill dramatically over the last few weeks.

Crap. No. The play on the Batter-Runner does absolutely nothing. One run scores, change 'em up.

Sorry, guys... I'll pay better attention from now on.
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Old Mon May 11, 2009, 09:06am
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Is it correct to assume the ball is dead once the third out is made? (NFHS rulebook not in office) Could this play be appealed as long as the throw did beat the runner to first? Is this a situation that is not appealable?
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Old Mon May 11, 2009, 09:12am
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Is it correct to assume the ball is dead once the third out is made? (NFHS rulebook not in office) Could this play be appealed as long as the throw did beat the runner to first? Is this a situation that is not appealable?
Can't speak for NFHS, but once the third out is made, the third out is made, change sides. Only way to nullify a run in ASA after the third out is if you're appealing a runner who scored.
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Old Mon May 11, 2009, 09:13am
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Is it correct to assume the ball is dead once the third out is made? (NFHS rulebook not in office) Could this play be appealed as long as the throw did beat the runner to first? Is this a situation that is not appealable?
No. It isn't appealable. Let's say that you have the bases loaded with two outs. F6 fields the ball and tosses it to F5 for an easy out. BR and R3 give up and run to the dugout. Do you really think you can appeal either of them for not reaching the base for a fourth out to negate the run?

Besides, I listed the appealable offenses for NFHS in my last post.
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Old Mon May 11, 2009, 11:31am
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No. It isn't appealable. Let's say that you have the bases loaded with two outs. F6 fields the ball and tosses it to F5 for an easy out. BR and R3 give up and run to the dugout. Do you really think you can appeal either of them for not reaching the base for a fourth out to negate the run?

Besides, I listed the appealable offenses for NFHS in my last post.
What run?
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What run?
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Old Tue May 12, 2009, 05:40am
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heard of 4th out never seen it applied...interesting scenerio... rules quote from case book didnt help...so are we in agreement that the defense has the right to choose the out to nullify the timing play at home?
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heard of 4th out never seen it applied...interesting scenerio... rules quote from case book didnt help...so are we in agreement that the defense has the right to choose the out to nullify the timing play at home?
Nope. Re-read my previous post on this thread.
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Old Tue May 12, 2009, 08:42am
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heard of 4th out never seen it applied...interesting scenerio... rules quote from case book didnt help...so are we in agreement that the defense has the right to choose the out to nullify the timing play at home?
Try rereading the whole thread! I think you will find that no, no one agrees with that.
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Old Tue May 12, 2009, 10:16am
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heard of 4th out never seen it applied...interesting scenerio... rules quote from case book didnt help...so are we in agreement that the defense has the right to choose the out to nullify the timing play at home?
In ASA, the third out eliminates all ability to put out any runner who has not scored. I don't know of any other ruleset where that's the case.
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Old Tue May 12, 2009, 12:36pm
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heard of 4th out never seen it applied...interesting scenerio... rules quote from case book didnt help...so are we in agreement that the defense has the right to choose the out to nullify the timing play at home?
The rule quote (9.1.1 Exception e) only applies to NFHS and not in ASA or NCAA.
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Is it correct to assume the ball is dead once the third out is made? (NFHS rulebook not in office) Could this play be appealed as long as the throw did beat the runner to first? Is this a situation that is not appealable?
This is not an appealable action.

For NFHS, there ia a provision in the rule book that when more than one out is declared that ends an inning, the defensive coach has the option of which out will apply.

Refer to Rule 9.1.1 Exception e:

A run is not scored if the runner advances to home plate during action in which the third out is made as follows:

e. when there is more than one out declared by the umpire which terminates the half inning (the defensive team may select the out which is to its advantage)
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This is not an appealable action.

For NFHS, there ia a provision in the rule book that when more than one out is declared that ends an inning, the defensive coach has the option of which out will apply.

Refer to Rule 9.1.1 Exception e:

A run is not scored if the runner advances to home plate during action in which the third out is made as follows:

e. when there is more than one out declared by the umpire which terminates the half inning (the defensive team may select the out which is to its advantage)
Yep, I was wrong . But, thanks MGKBLUE for pointing out that my concept was correct.
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