I have a question about a run counting

[GreenSuedeBlue]

There are two outs and there are two baserunners on second and on third
The batter hits a grounder to the Shortstop and doesn't run to first base. The runner on second gets in a pickle between second and third while the runner on third touches home base. The batter starts running to first base and the runner who was on second base is tagged out. The third baseman who made the out throws the ball to the first baseman before the batter gets there. Does that run count??

[Ed Maeder]

The run would count if they touched home before the third out was made by tagging R2. The play at first has no effect in this case.

[NCASAUmp]

Are you talking about a very, VERY slow batter-runner who had yet to touch 1B? If not, then yes, the run counts. However, if Bubba the batter-runner took forever to get to 1B and was put out prior to reaching 1B, then no, the run would not count.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

Are you talking about a very, VERY slow batter-runner who had yet to touch 1B? If not, then yes, the run counts. However, if Bubba the batter-runner took forever to get to 1B and was put out prior to reaching 1B, then no, the run would not count.

Why? Are you saying that F5's throw to F3 and F3 subsequent tagging of first base before B/R5 touched first base is an advantageous fourth out appeal?

MTD, Sr.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Why? Are you saying that F5's throw to F3 and F3 subsequent tagging of first base before B/R5 touched first base is an advantageous fourth out appeal?

MTD, Sr.

Wow... My reading skills on this forum has gone downhill dramatically over the last few weeks.

Crap. No. The play on the Batter-Runner does absolutely nothing. One run scores, change 'em up.

Sorry, guys... I'll pay better attention from now on.

[tcblue13]

Is it correct to assume the ball is dead once the third out is made? (NFHS rulebook not in office) Could this play be appealed as long as the throw did beat the runner to first? Is this a situation that is not appealable?

[MNBlue]

Originally Posted by GreenSuedeBlue

There are two outs and there are two baserunners on second and on third
The batter hits a grounder to the Shortstop and doesn't run to first base. The runner on second gets in a pickle between second and third while the runner on third touches home base. The batter starts running to first base and the runner who was on second base is tagged out. The third baseman who made the out throws the ball to the first baseman before the batter gets there. Does that run count??

What rule set?

NFHS allows for a 4th out appeal on runners who haven't scored. In this scenario, the run wouldn't have counted because the B/R failed to reach 1B.

ASA, however, doesn't allow 4th out appeals on runners wh haven't scored. In this scenario, the run would count.

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by MNBlue

What rule set?

NFHS allows for a 4th out appeal on runners who haven't scored. In this scenario, the run wouldn't have counted because the B/R failed to reach 1B.

ASA, however, doesn't allow 4th out appeals on runners wh haven't scored. In this scenario, the run would count.

But the OP's situation doesn't allow for any type of appeal. They aren't appealing a runner missing a base, leaving early on a caught fly ball, batting out of order, or attempting to advance to second base after making the turn at first. No where in the rule book of any ruleset that I know of does it allow a fourth out appeal on a BR runner on a force at first.

In the OP, the run should count, provided, as I am reading it, the tag of the runner caught between 2nd and 3rd occurs after the R1 touched home.