Illegal---Nah.

[whiskers_ump]

WOW.



http://www.nbcolympics.com/softball/...id=200615.html

[snorman75]

The bent knee looks like a replant to me.

[whiskers_ump]

Originally Posted by snorman75

The bent knee looks like a replant to me.

Yeppers, this is a no doubter. Note ball still in hand and position of feet.

[EdJW]

There is no way that this is a replant. A replant leading to a new effective push off. So, ASA and all of the other insurance company groups who falsely put themselves forward as softball experts should get real with respect to what's OK and what's not for pitchers. It is flat out not acceptable for every single umpire to decide for herself what is legal pitching and not legal. But, this is where we are.

[SRW]

Originally Posted by EdJW

There is no way that this is a replant. A replant leading to a new effective push off. So, ASA and all of the other insurance company groups who falsely put themselves forward as softball experts should get real with respect to what's OK and what's not for pitchers. It is flat out not acceptable for every single umpire to decide for herself what is legal pitching and not legal. But, this is where we are.

Uh...

...whothephuckareyou, again?

[IN ASA BLUE]

Originally Posted by EdJW

There is no way that this is a replant. A replant leading to a new effective push off. So, ASA and all of the other insurance company groups who falsely put themselves forward as softball experts should get real with respect to what's OK and what's not for pitchers. It is flat out not acceptable for every single umpire to decide for herself what is legal pitching and not legal. But, this is where we are.

WHAT???????

[whiskers_ump]

Originally Posted by SRW

Uh...

...whothephuckareyou, again?

Then are you saying this would be a legal pitch? Look very closely at the
pic. Way in front of rubber, slab, whatever, ball still in hand.

[SRW]

Originally Posted by whiskers_ump

Then are you saying this would be a legal pitch? Look very closely at the
pic. Way in front of rubber, slab, whatever, ball still in hand.

My comment was not about the pitch (legal or illegal).

But speaking of that, how can you determine a pitch legal or illegal by a snapshot from above?

Even given what you said above - when do you expect her to release the ball?

[EdJW]

Based on the umpire calls I've seen over the years including ASA Nationals 18A, NSA Nationals 12U, PONY Nationals 12U, this is a legal pitch, no question. Why go from 12 to 18. Because the kid is that good. But, you umpires need to get real. There is absolutely no way that the pitcher in the picture is lllegal. Somewhat about 0.4% of umpires will call this illegal. And on the next identical pitch, they will not call it illegal.

[AtlUmpSteve]

It looks damning, doesn't it ? But, the stop frame doesn't tell you if she replants at this point, or if it is a still frame of her continuing (and, therefore, legal) drag.

Check the video link SRW posts on the question about the "out of box" call; go to 2:10, where Robin Mackin comes in the game. They make her take off her watch and Livestrong, BTW.

In my opinion, it is a borderline (therefore legal) drag, at best; I can see no replant in live speed, even the side view during her warm-up. And, here I am, the guy someone on this board calls the ASA person who imagines replants that don't exist.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by SRW

Uh...

...whothephuckareyou, again?

Ed had dropped in on us from time to time before. By his previous posts, he seems to be a disgruntled parent/coach who hates ASA. His comments need to be taken in that light - nothing ASA does, says, or is connected to can possibly be good, or even remotely legitimate.

If memory serves, he is from Mike's region of the country, but maybe just a bit farther north up the Eastern Seaboard.

But, I'm going from memory here.

[socalumps]

Originally Posted by EdJW

Based on the umpire calls I've seen over the years including ASA Nationals 18A, NSA Nationals 12U, PONY Nationals 12U, this is a legal pitch, no question. Why go from 12 to 18.(????) Because the kid is that good. (????) But, you umpires need to get real.(???) There is absolutely no way that the pitcher in the picture is lllegal.??? Somewhat about 0.4% of umpires will call this illegal. And on the next identical pitch, they will not call it illegal.

REALLY?

[EdJW]

Actually, Uncle Ed is a big supporter of girls softball. That's why I suggest that ASA totally messed up on the olympics. Tommy, I think you are as ASA fan, so who do you think screwed up wrt the olympics. I think it's ASA. Easton is a fool, but he is a fool following ASA advise.

[socalumps]

Originally Posted by EdJW

Actually, Uncle Ed is a big supporter of girls softball. That's why I suggest that ASA totally messed up on the olympics. Tommy, I think you are as ASA fan, so who do you think screwed up wrt the olympics. I think it's ASA. Easton is a fool, but he is a fool following ASA advise.

Eddie......try spell check please? It makes it easier to argue with you!!

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Dakota

Ed had dropped in on us from time to time before. By his previous posts, he seems to be a disgruntled parent/coach who hates ASA. His comments need to be taken in that light - nothing ASA does, says, or is connected to can possibly be good, or even remotely legitimate.

If memory serves, he is from Mike's region of the country, but maybe just a bit farther north up the Eastern Seaboard.

But, I'm going from memory here.

We need to hook up so I can smack you upside the head for that association.