Runner assisted by coach

[snorman75]

Originally Posted by Dholloway1962

So knowing what you are doing is wrong you will do it anyway. I really like that kind of integrity from a brother umpire.

And sure the winning team has no grounds for a protest, but the losing team (defense) sure does. And they should win that protest.

You have never called a runner out, knowing they are safe? I have, and will.

What grounds does the losing team have to protest? They going to protest they lost by 3 not 2?

But they might be able to do it. The only thing that might stop them from legally protesting is that the game can not be picked up at the point of the protest since the winning run is good. So making any protest adding runs to a won game moot.

[snorman75]

By the way with the 8.5.H effect not having a home run as a dead ball. I feel it is not a dead ball under these ASA rules.

So I call the assisted runner on a HR out.

P.S. ASA has not answered this question. Meaning no response at all. Any one else send them a email?

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by snorman75

By the way with the 8.6.H effect not having a home run as a dead ball. I feel it is not a dead ball under these ASA rules.

So I call the assisted runner on a HR out.

P.S. ASA has not answered this question. Meaning no response at all. Any one else send them a email?

I hope you're referring to 8-5-H. 8-6-H is for an intentionally dropped ball.

[snorman75]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

I hope you're referring to 8-5-H. 8-6-H is for an intentionally dropped ball.

No, does that not apply here? ya, my bad

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by snorman75

You have never called a runner out, knowing they are safe? I have, and will.

What grounds does the losing team have to protest? They going to protest they lost by 3 not 2?

But they might be able to do it. The only thing that might stop them from legally protesting is that the game can not be picked up at the point of the protest since the winning run is good. So making any protest adding runs to a won game moot.

Attitudes like this is where umpires get such a bad name. Screwing up a judgment call is one thing, but flat out admitting that you make calls because it "doesn't matter" is totally different.

Did you ever call baseball? If so, I think I saw you in this video.

Anyone else hear the soft melody played on a piano?

[snorman75]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

Attitudes like this is where umpires get such a bad name. Screwing up a judgment call is one thing, but flat out admitting that you make calls because it "doesn't matter" is totally different.

Did you ever call baseball? If so, I think I saw you in this video.

Anyone else hear the soft melody played on a piano?

No, never said make I screwed up call because it does not matter. If anything the opposite. Team up 20+ runs and still stealing, any close play is going to be a out, it might not even be that close.


You do not change your strike zone when it is a blow out. If you say you do not adjust to the game situation, well I do not think you are being truthful with yourself.

In this situation, well my heart was never behind not calling her out every time. Truthfully, I would had called her out in the first inning, and welcomed a protest to put it to bed finally.

P.S. We have put it to bed in our Board, it is a out.

P.S.S I am talking playing more to the situation in kids and lower level teen games. Adults and U16 and up there really is not much gray area.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by snorman75

No, never said make I screwed up call because it does not matter. If anything the opposite. Team up 20+ runs and still stealing, any close play is going to be a out, it might not even be that close.

While I agree that this is a pain in the butt to deal with, it's what we're paid to do. Why are you in such a hurry to get home?

Originally Posted by snorman75

You do not change your strike zone when it is a blow out. If you say you do not adjust to the game situation, well I do not think you are being truthful with yourself.

My strike zone hasn't changed in 16 years (unless it was mat ball). Period. I have more integrity than that.

Originally Posted by snorman75

In this situation, well my heart was never behind not calling her out every time. Truthfully, I would had called her out in the first inning, and welcomed a protest to put it to bed finally.

P.S. We have put it to bed in our Board, it is a out.

I don't know who your board is, but it does not appear to be the consensus of ASA (yet). The current mandates are "get it right" and "call it by the book." If what you call is not in the book, then you're calling it wrong.

Originally Posted by snorman75

P.S.S I am talking playing more to the situation in kids and lower level teen games. Adults and U16 and up there really is not much gray area.

I won't even touch this one.

[snorman75]

Sorry Dave,
We just disagree with ASA rules with a HR. Since it is not clear, until we hear something we are going to disagree.

The other stuff, well if you do not adjust, again we agree to disagree.

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by snorman75

The other stuff, well if you do not adjust, again we agree to disagree.

The only adjusting that needs to be done is your approach to umpiring the game. Period. You are there to umpire, not to make the game the easier on yourself.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by snorman75

Sorry Dave,
We just disagree with ASA rules with a HR. Since it is not clear, until we hear something we are going to disagree.

I think ASA is as clear as they need to be on this. The ball has already touched the ground (or some other object) in dead ball territory. The ball is dead. At this time, the runner assistance rule only pertains to a live ball situation.

Originally Posted by snorman75

The other stuff, well if you do not adjust, again we agree to disagree.

I may adjust my positioning behind F4. I may adjust my set position on a shorter batter. I may even adjust my cup between innings.

I do not adjust my calls just because I want to get a game over faster. Why should I be in such a hurry?

[kcg NC2Ablu]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

I think ASA is as clear as they need to be on this. The ball has already touched the ground (or some other object) in dead ball territory. The ball is dead. At this time, the runner assistance rule only pertains to a live ball situation.



I may adjust my positioning behind F4. I may adjust my set position on a shorter batter. I may even adjust my cup between innings.

I do not adjust my calls just because I want to get a game over faster. Why should I be in such a hurry?

Maybe you shouldnt be ... after all it could always be a rain delay ... with the saying ... "and Four and a half hours later"

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by snorman75

No, never said make I screwed up call because it does not matter. If anything the opposite. Team up 20+ runs and still stealing, any close play is going to be a out, it might not even be that close.

It shouldn't be. It should be whatever it was, safe or out. The game score or situation makes no difference.

Originally Posted by snorman75

You do not change your strike zone when it is a blow out. If you say you do not adjust to the game situation, well I do not think you are being truthful with yourself.

The game situation makes no difference to me. I had a varsity game this past season where the final was 27-3. Neither me nor my partner changed a thing about what we were doing. This is what is called professionalism.

Originally Posted by snorman75

You have never called a runner out, knowing they are safe? I have, and will.

I am embarrassed for you! Of course I, and hopefully anyone else involved with umpiring, have never knowingly made the wrong call. That is absurd. A travesty. If you really do these things, then may I implore you to give up umpiring. Go get a part time job at Wal-Mart since it seems to be about the money for you, as no self respecting umpire who works the game for the fun and enjoyment of it would ever dream of doing the things you profess.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by snorman75

You have never called a runner out, knowing they are safe?

No, and probably never will. My brain and integrity will not permit it.

I have, and will.

Damn shame.

What grounds does the losing team have to protest? They going to protest they lost by 3 not 2?

But they might be able to do it. The only thing that might stop them from legally protesting is that the game can not be picked up at the point of the protest since the winning run is good. So making any protest adding runs to a won game moot.

Maybe they'll protest just to get the UIC's attention.

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by snorman75

You have never called a runner out, knowing they are safe? I have, and will.

I've blown calls, but certainly never on purpose.

Youre an official OF the game. Its not your game bro.

Remember this always, first and foremost:

"The integrity of the game".

You need to fix your thought process on this, it really is bad.