Runner assisted by coach
Here's a situation that was discussed this past weekend during umpire down time.
Bottom of the 7th. Home down by 1 run. No outs. R1 at 3B. R2 at 2B. Batter hits an over-the-fence home run. BR jubilant, jumping, hopping, etc., toward 1B and jumps over 1B (doesn't touch) and continues toward 2B. R1 has crossed home. 1B coach grabs BR and pulls her back to touch 1B. Call? How many runs score? ASA Rules. |
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So I've waded in without checking the rulebook twice today and been wrong ... so let's try for the full strikeout.
BR is out for being assisted. The other two runners score and the game is over. ________ MatureLina live |
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FP or SP? |
The ball is dead! I have all three runs scoring and no assist. (8-7-E & 1- Dead Ball)
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Anyway, FP, but answer for both... |
Since BR never reached 1st base before being called out due to interference....I have no runs scoring.
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umpharp, that's only true if it is the third out of an inning. |
I too could not find anything that states the ball is dead on a home run, other then the definition of a dead ball. On a home run over the fence, the ball is defiantly not in play.
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my bad...thats what I get for skimming the question.
I would have two runs scoring and the BR out for coaches interference. Because the ball is dead, I don't have this being a timing play.....could it be? You have to have the out at first because the defense could appeal if the coach had not pulled the BR back...in this case, the out doesn't really matter because the winning run scored |
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umpharp, according to 8-7-E the runner being assisted is out only if the ball is live. "The runner is out: When any offensive team member, other than another runner, physically assists a runner while the ball is live." In SP (other than Senior's and Master's) this is all a moot point. :) |
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To allow the assist to be unpenalized would put the awarded base to supercede the offensive transgression, and we know that offensive transgressions (like interference) always supercede defensive transgressions (like obstruction). When I used to do football, that was called the "clean hands" theory; the defense couldn't keep a turnover if it was preceded by a defensive foul. We have two runs scoring (R1 & R2), and BR is out. The location of the violation is immaterial with no outs; with two outs, the BR (who has passed, but missed first base) is out fore the third out, but the runs still score in ASA. This is another case where the ASA ruling on fourth out appeals disadvantages the defense, as the defense cannot appeal the missed base by the BR who did not score (when called out after passing the base). |
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I am very hesitant to disagree with you based upon your knowledge and experience and I think your interpretation makes the most sense on how to handle this play, but it seems to conflict with the text of 8-7-E. Is there a published ASA interpretation addressing this? |
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