Balk, runner scores but sent back, and defensive coach argues

[Jim Dixon]

Pitcher is balked and R2 gets to third on misplay of pickoff at second base. Then another misplay at third results in R2 stealing home plate.

I had a balk, which no one heard above the noise. After I finally get R2 back to third base, the defensive coach comes out to argue the balk (he is up by 5 runs).

I guess I should have agreed with him and scored the run.

Just wanted to share.

Jim

[Madine30]

As is the case with most coaches it doesn't sound like he is too bright. If I read your posting correctly, you essentially saved him a run by calling the balk. Sometimes these coaches amaze me.

[DrC.]

Unless you were able to kill the play with the Balk Call (which sounds like in your post was not Loud enough - Did you give a visual signal). If not the play then continues and the runner once pass 3rd base is on his own.
As for the coach, who knows??? Maybe he too had money on the game. They are accusing everybody of betting on everything these days!!!

[Gee]

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Originally posted by DrC.:
Unless you were able to kill the play with the Balk Call (which sounds like in your post was not Loud enough - Did you give a visual signal). If not the play then continues and the runner once pass 3rd base is on his own.
As for the coach, who knows??? Maybe he too had money on the game. They are accusing everybody of betting on everything these days!!!

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The only thing that will nulify a balk is if all runners, including the batter runner, advance one base. If a balk occurs, you try to kill it by pointing and calling BALK but you cannot kill the play. If the pitch comes in you wait till the play is dead over and call time. At that time you award all runners one base. Batter up. G.

[Gee]

I forgot to mention that the above base award is from the last base occupied at the time of the pitch, sorry. G.

[KWA]

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Originally posted by Gee:

Originally posted by DrC.:
Unless you were able to kill the play with the Balk Call (which sounds like in your post was not Loud enough - Did you give a visual signal). If not the play then continues and the runner once pass 3rd base is on his own.
As for the coach, who knows??? Maybe he too had money on the game. They are accusing everybody of betting on everything these days!!!

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The only thing that will nulify a balk is if all runners, including the batter runner, advance one base. If a balk occurs, you try to kill it by pointing and calling BALK but you cannot kill the play. If the pitch comes in you wait till the play is dead over and call time. At that time you award all runners one base. Batter up. G.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think there is anything that will nullify a balk. A balk is an immediate dead ball. All runners on base are awarded the next base, and if the pitcher delivers a pitch, it shall be ruled a no-pitch. It makes no difference if the call could not be heard above the crowd. The call was made, and all plays after that fact did not happen. ( I would have liked to have seen the coach get his way, just for spite, though.!!)

[bob jenkins]

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Originally posted by KWA:
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think there is anything that will nullify a balk. A balk is an immediate dead ball. All runners on base are awarded the next base, and if the pitcher delivers a pitch, it shall be ruled a no-pitch. It makes no difference if the call could not be heard above the crowd. The call was made, and all plays after that fact did not happen. ( I would have liked to have seen the coach get his way, just for spite, though.!!)

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KWA --

You are correct under FED rules -- a balk is an immediate dead ball.

Under OBR and NCAA, however, it's a delayed dead ball.

If the pitcher stops, or the pitch or throw is caught, it's dead and enforce the balk.

If the pitch or throw is wild, the ball remains live and the runners can advance beyond the next base at their own risk. If they are out before reaching the next base, or don't advance, call time and enforce the balk for those runners.

If the ball is hit and the batter and all runners advance one base, ignore the balk. Otherwise, enforce the balk.

It's more confusing, but allows the offense to benefit from either the play or the balk.