Runner assisted by coach

[snorman75]

Originally Posted by Dholloway1962

Dead Ball is a ball that is not in play. After the ball passes the top of the fence and contacts ground/building/wall or other object the ball becomes dead. The area outside the fences is Dead Ball Area. Once that ball gets there you have a dead ball.

Ok Snorman, I pose this question again. If the HR is not a dead ball, why is the runner or batter-runner not called out if they remove their helmet.

It is not an out. Nothing in the Rule Book supports an out call. If it happened today I would call nothing. If there is a protest I will win because I can show why it isn't an out. No other person can show why it is an out. If they can show me where in the book it constitutes an out I will jump on board. Just isn't there.

I know. I am just saying it is interesting that all the other sections covering out of play balls, start with "Ball is dead" and the home run rule does not.

If this exact situation happens today, I call her out. Winning team has no grounds to protest a play that wins the game for them.


I any other situation, breaks my heart to say this, but I would have to call her not out.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by snorman75

I know. I am just saying it is interesting that all the other sections covering out of play balls, start with "Ball is dead" and the home run rule does not.

If this exact situation happens today, I call her out. Winning team has no grounds to protest a play that wins the game for them.


I any other situation, breaks my heart to say this, but I would have to call her not out.

While it makes no difference in this sitch, there are plenty of other sitches where calling an out would get you in trouble. It's a timing play, and if the home team is down by two with two outs, I guarantee you're getting a protest.

[snorman75]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

While it makes no difference in this sitch, there are plenty of other sitches where calling an out would get you in trouble. It's a timing play, and if the home team is down by two with two outs, I guarantee you're getting a protest.

Yep, So in ANY other situation, I do not call her out, and I am SURE we are going to have a protest.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by snorman75

Yep, So in ANY other situation, I do not call her out, and I am SURE we are going to have a protest.

So you're admitting that you'd make the call, simply because you'd get away with it? What happens when you call it one game, and the very next game, you don't?

[snorman75]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

So you're admitting that you'd make the call, simply because you'd get away with it? What happens when you call it one game, and the very next game, you don't?

Ya, but I found something else.

Figured I would look in the rule differences to see if there is anything. And there is, big time.

"Home run out of the park no
mention of offensive team
members touching the runner
before touching the plate"


"No rule"


So there is "No rule" Which I guess means you can not enforce anything. She is not out.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by snorman75

Ya, but I found something else.

Figured I would look in the rule differences to see if there is anything. And there is, big time.

"Home run out of the park no
mention of offensive team
members touching the runner
before touching the plate"


"No rule"


So there is "No rule" Which I guess means you can not enforce anything. She is not out.

Where did you find this? You do realize that this is just someone's interpretation and not an actual rule citation?

But back to my original question. Why would you be willing to change your rulings simply based on game situation? You're screwing the rest of us over by essentially "making it up" as you go.

[Dakota]

Rule differences tables are not official.

[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by snorman75

Ya, but I found something else.

Figured I would look in the rule differences to see if there is anything. And there is, big time.

"Home run out of the park no
mention of offensive team
members touching the runner
before touching the plate"


"No rule"


So there is "No rule" Which I guess means you can not enforce anything. She is not out.

No rule for "touching" refers to the made up myth call of assistance for other team members merely touching in celebration. It does not negate "assisting".

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

No rule for "touching" refers to the made up myth call of assistance for other team members merely touching in celebration. It does not negate "assisting".

Maybe merely congratulating a player physically assists them by giving them a morale boost?

Just kidding. I've never called anyone out for getting a high five or a congratulatory slap on the behind (so long as it was clear that was ALL it was for).

[Dholloway1962]

Originally Posted by snorman75

If this exact situation happens today, I call her out. Winning team has no grounds to protest a play that wins the game for them.

So knowing what you are doing is wrong you will do it anyway. I really like that kind of integrity from a brother umpire.

And sure the winning team has no grounds for a protest, but the losing team (defense) sure does. And they should win that protest.

[snorman75]

Originally Posted by Dholloway1962

So knowing what you are doing is wrong you will do it anyway. I really like that kind of integrity from a brother umpire.

And sure the winning team has no grounds for a protest, but the losing team (defense) sure does. And they should win that protest.

You have never called a runner out, knowing they are safe? I have, and will.

What grounds does the losing team have to protest? They going to protest they lost by 3 not 2?

But they might be able to do it. The only thing that might stop them from legally protesting is that the game can not be picked up at the point of the protest since the winning run is good. So making any protest adding runs to a won game moot.

[snorman75]

By the way with the 8.5.H effect not having a home run as a dead ball. I feel it is not a dead ball under these ASA rules.

So I call the assisted runner on a HR out.

P.S. ASA has not answered this question. Meaning no response at all. Any one else send them a email?

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by snorman75

By the way with the 8.6.H effect not having a home run as a dead ball. I feel it is not a dead ball under these ASA rules.

So I call the assisted runner on a HR out.

P.S. ASA has not answered this question. Meaning no response at all. Any one else send them a email?

I hope you're referring to 8-5-H. 8-6-H is for an intentionally dropped ball.

[snorman75]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

I hope you're referring to 8-5-H. 8-6-H is for an intentionally dropped ball.

No, does that not apply here? ya, my bad

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by snorman75

You have never called a runner out, knowing they are safe? I have, and will.

What grounds does the losing team have to protest? They going to protest they lost by 3 not 2?

But they might be able to do it. The only thing that might stop them from legally protesting is that the game can not be picked up at the point of the protest since the winning run is good. So making any protest adding runs to a won game moot.

Attitudes like this is where umpires get such a bad name. Screwing up a judgment call is one thing, but flat out admitting that you make calls because it "doesn't matter" is totally different.

Did you ever call baseball? If so, I think I saw you in this video.

Anyone else hear the soft melody played on a piano?