Canada v. USA

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by kcg NC2Ablu

I agree that asa has a robotic type set of how you can and cannot do things.... but none of those umpires were using an ASA mechanic in any of their out calls if anything they were closer to NCAA.

On another note... the plate umpire may have been further in the slot then most yet she is the one going to the olympics and has obviously proved her self recently enough to obtain ISF and be selected to go to bejing so she had a bad game.. and she was on TV ... which sucks for her bc were all here ripping her... I bet if half you people ripping her worked that game you would have been just as (fill in the blank with whatever bad you were going to say here)

Not me!

I would have done much worse.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

Not me!

I would have done much worse.

Same here

Especially since I only do SP.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

I dont think we are talking about the same positioning if PU is inline HP to 2B. I move a lot quicker than that. If I have a banger at 3 I am there, around 8 feet or so.

R1 @ 1B less than 2 outs, slow developing bunt, play is to 1B, you have play which is obviously developing at 3B. You can pause for the play at 1B pulled foot mumbo jumbo (another ASA flaw, this is not the priority the lead runner is), but you need to be moving up the line, the runner will be rounding by then. Now you have 2 seconds or so.

You should be right there when the play happens.

Oh, believe me, I hustle my tail off, too! I've heard players yell at the end of the play, even if the call's against them, "nice hustle, blue! THAT'S what I like to see!"

Now, I've not seen the game this thread was originally discussing, and I was more or less skimming the conversation until now. What I'm referring to is my belief that the PU getting on the inside of the diamond on a tag play at 3B is not terrible positioning, and it has many times helped to set me up perfectly for calls at home plate when there is an errant throw. Another aspect that I didn't bring up is the fact that a runner coming from 2B to 3B is already rounding their path, and being on the inside of the diamond helps to get a better 90 on the tag at 3B. Staying on the foul side of the line does not give you that same angle.

You're only sliding over to your right by a foot or two, and you're setting yourself up for the next potential play. Let your partner worry about his/her runners and fielders.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

The only time it is routinely executed is when it is routine. WHen I am PU I watch very closely because this poor mechanic is a goof up waiting to happen. When I am BU, I already know to be careful with this poor mechanic so I dont make that error. ANd yes I have learned by experience what a horrible mechanic this is.

And you are full of it.. the mechanic is to be moving towards 1B with your head turned towards 2B and your hand up in the hammer saying "out" Your body is moving one way, your call is made looking over your shoulder.

If you dont do that, then you admit I am correct. Because that is exactly what is taught. It is impossible to "stay with the ball" with this mechanic.

It is impossible to "stay with the ball" with any mechanic unless making the call from across the diamond. No umpire is going to be able to refocus if they are moving their head with the ball.

The only part that I do not teach of the written mechanic is where the umpire is told to move quickly toward 1B.

This mechanic is not that much of a problem. Hasn't been in my 20+ years of softball and doubt it ever will be.

AFA the signal, it is secondary to the continuing play. I don't even think about it until the ball has left the defender's hand toward 1B while I'm waiting for that play to finish. There have been times that the play was turned so quickly, I didn't have time to make any signal, but I can guarantee, everyone heard the "out" call. If there is any possibility of confusion, after the sell on the play at first, I will turn back toward second, point at the base and give the signal.

Sorry you have a problem with it. Might I suggest a good school?

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

It is impossible to "stay with the ball" with any mechanic unless making the call from across the diamond. No umpire is going to be able to refocus if they are moving their head with the ball.

The only part that I do not teach of the written mechanic is where the umpire is told to move quickly toward 1B.

This mechanic is not that much of a problem. Hasn't been in my 20+ years of softball and doubt it ever will be.

AFA the signal, it is secondary to the continuing play. I don't even think about it until the ball has left the defender's hand toward 1B while I'm waiting for that play to finish. There have been times that the play was turned so quickly, I didn't have time to make any signal, but I can guarantee, everyone heard the "out" call. If there is any possibility of confusion, after the sell on the play at first, I will turn back toward second, point at the base and give the signal.

Sorry you have a problem with it. Might I suggest a good school?

hey sweetie pie, you cant disregard teaching what is taught at NUS then pretend to support the mechanic.

NOw you must admit: wade is correct, and in fact this mechanic is so bad you cheat ASA and have invented your own mechanic.

At least when I teach, I teach ASA.

You should be ashamed of yourself. Go stand in a corner.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

hey sweetie pie, you cant disregard teaching what is taught at NUS then pretend to support the mechanic.

NOw you must admit: wade is correct, and in fact this mechanic is so bad you cheat ASA and have invented your own mechanic.

At least when I teach, I teach ASA.

You should be ashamed of yourself. Go stand in a corner.

How do you do that without hurting yourself? You know, pat yourself on the back and je....nevermind. You are not worth the trouble.

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

How do you do that without hurting yourself? You know, pat yourself on the back and je....nevermind. You are not worth the trouble.

I know, in your position you must kiss some but and say somethings wonderful while neglecting it in clinic because you secretly dont like it and admit its terrible. Bouncing eyeballs, you should pivot.. EXACTLY what I said.

I just plain out and out state its not a good mechanic.

You cant fault me for that.

You can go ahead and jump on the wadeygoodmechanicstrain. You aint gotta lie to kick it with me homey.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

Not me!

I would have done much worse.

Perhaps the defining post in this topic.

[dtwsd]

Originally Posted by Skahtboi

I only watched a couple of innings, but I didn't see anything wrong with it while I was watching.

Originally Posted by CecilOne

Lots of bordeline pitches, but I wasn't watching from the west.

Well I finally got to watch this game last night. While I wasn't bothered by the zone all that much I was bothered by Michelle Smith breaking out one of her famous stupid clichés. "There are 3 strike zones, the pitcher's strike zone, the batter's strike zone and the umpire's strike zone". UGH! I can't believe that she believes the sh!t she's shoveling.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by dtwsd

Well I finally got to watch this game last night. While I wasn't bothered by the zone all that much I was bothered by Michelle Smith breaking out one of her famous stupid clichés. "There are 3 strike zones, the pitcher's strike zone, the batter's strike zone and the umpire's strike zone". UGH! I can't believe that she believes the sh!t she's shoveling.

She's never worn our uniform.

At least she got the order right. Yours, mine... and the truth!

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

She's never worn our uniform.

At least she got the order right. Yours, mine... and the truth!

Besides, she forgot one... the catcher's strike zone!

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by dtwsd

Well I finally got to watch this game last night. While I wasn't bothered by the zone all that much I was bothered by Michelle Smith breaking out one of her famous stupid clichés. "There are 3 strike zones, the pitcher's strike zone, the batter's strike zone and the umpire's strike zone". UGH! I can't believe that she believes the sh!t she's shoveling.

Yeah, but only one counts

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Al

Hi socalump,

I thought the umpire at 3rd base handled an unusual situation very well. The sit I'm referring to was where a player advanced to 3rd base while another runner, who was in a rundown between 3rd and home, ended up coming back to 3rd. For a moment both were standing on 3rd. A tag came just after the runner got back to 3rd and the other runner, who didn't belong there, started running back to 2nd. I wish I recorded it because I thought I heard one of the commentators say something to this affect: "The tag didn't get the out because the other runner got off the base before the tag came, if they were both on the base she would have been out on the tag". If that is what she was saying she was wrong because the only one subject to being tagged out would be the player that was not rightfully on the base. ...Al

You are correct, one of the TH screwed that up, but what's new.

Personally, I thought there was way too much conversation on the play at 3B especially from a crew of this level. The call was a no-brainer. Candrea really showed his ignorance on this one, also, and that is not the norm for him.

Not impressed with Lapin on the dish. She plays the position like a 14 y/o.

[socalumps]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

I know, in your position you must kiss some but and say somethings wonderful while neglecting it in clinic because you secretly dont like it and admit its terrible. Bouncing eyeballs, you should pivot.. EXACTLY what I said.

I just plain out and out state its not a good mechanic.

You cant fault me for that.

You can go ahead and jump on the wadeygoodmechanicstrain. You aint gotta lie to kick it with me homey.

Interestingly funny (accurate?)!! If that is a term!!