Canada v. USA

[Skahtboi]

I was wondering, if they are playing by ISF rules, why are the umpires wearing ASA stuff? (Not completely official, since the shirts are pink due to breast cancer awareness.)

I was also wondering by those of you who know, is it true that under ISF FP rules you don't have to throw 4 pitches to issue a walk? If this is true, and not just a snafu on the talking heads part, doesn't it put the offense at a disadvantage since it basically prevents the chance to steal?

Also, did you see the IP that the PU called in the 3 inning? It looked to me, both on the initial pitch and the replay that the pitcher did pause before separating her hands. (Of course the TH's said something like "she needs to let the umpire know that she is going to do her pause before she takes her signal.")

[3SPORT]

I thought the IP on Abbott in the 1st inning was interesting. They were trying to say it had to do with a pause but it was clearly that she did not have contact with the pitchers plate.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by 3SPORT

I thought the IP on Abbott in the 1st inning was interesting. They were trying to say it had to do with a pause but it was clearly that she did not have contact with the pitchers plate.

That's what MS said (she did not have contact ), but I have a problem with calling a repeated violation only once.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Skahtboi

I was also wondering by those of you who know, is it true that under ISF FP rules you don't have to throw 4 pitches to issue a walk? If this is true, and not just a snafu on the talking heads part, doesn't it put the offense at a disadvantage since it basically prevents the chance to steal?

Yes, in ISF a pitcher simply need announce to the plate umpire their intention to walk the batter and the umpire awards the batter first base.

Also, did you see the IP that the PU called in the 3 inning? It looked to me, both on the initial pitch and the replay that the pitcher did pause before separating her hands. (Of course the TH's said something like "she needs to let the umpire know that she is going to do her pause before she takes her signal.")

Abbott has been illegal all year and it is so obvious, I fail to see why there has been no move to correct it.

[NDblue]

I watched part of that game and was wondering where you can purchase one of those pink ASA umpire shirts. I'm sure our state UIC would allow us to wear them.

BTW, who was the PU? I wasn't impressed with her positioning. How could she possibly see the outside corner on a left-handed batter?

[Dutch Alex]

Here in Europe we play mostly unders ESF-rules, which are the same as ISF. At the clinics we get the ISF rulebook, which we have to use...

For an "Intentional walk" the pitcher has to announce, however mostly it is the coach who informs the catcher. Who has to tell the pitcher, who will tell the PU. So to speed up, we allow the coach and the catcher also to announce the Intenional.
At that point, call dead ball/time out and give the batter first base. Only runners advance if forced...
Don't forget to inform the official scorer!

For the umpire uniform: I don't think the game was under the ISF-flag. You can play by it rule-set, but the ISF sure didn't call the umpires to work this game. It's a friendly/practice game, not one in a ISF-tournament (such as Olympics or WorldChampionship). So the umpires can wear what they want...
Tomorrow (Sunday) Paddy and I will work a game between the Dutch Olympic-team against a Dutch Allstar team. Not under the ESF-flag, playing by the ISF-rules set, but we will wear our dutch uniform. But we can also chose to wear our ESF-uniform...

About Abbott's IP. I don't know, never saw her pitch. However before separating the hands F1 has to stand still for 2-5 sec's. The IP can be for violatiing this rule, not the full 2 sec's... So that would be a quick-pitch. I see that a lot with USA-pitcher who come over to Holland. The first view weeks you have to call IP frequently on them, after that they know an adjust...

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by Dutch Alex

About Abbott's IP. I don't know, never saw her pitch. However before separating the hands F1 has to stand still for 2-5 sec's. The IP can be for violatiing this rule, not the full 2 sec's... So that would be a quick-pitch. I see that a lot with USA-pitcher who come over to Holland. The first view weeks you have to call IP frequently on them, after that they know an adjust...

That may be what it was, then. I thought that the pause just had to be one second mininmum as in most rule sets here in the states.

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by NDblue

I watched part of that game and was wondering where you can purchase one of those pink ASA umpire shirts. I'm sure our state UIC would allow us to wear them.

BTW, who was the PU? I wasn't impressed with her positioning. How could she possibly see the outside corner on a left-handed batter?

Its always nice when umpires are part of the show. I think its fine for the players to do the auction thing. THe umpires should not have been made part of it.

And the PU's zone was pretty laughable .. and ever changing.

[socalumps]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

Its always nice when umpires are part of the show. I think its fine for the players to do the auction thing. THe umpires should not have been made part of it.

And the PU's zone was pretty laughable .. and ever changing.

She was there...we wern't!!!!

Easy for you to be critical!!

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by socalumps

She was there...we wern't!!!!

Easy for you to be critical!!

Perception is 99% on televised games.

People watching it know.

Do we want credibility as a sport and as officials of a sport?

Or do we want people in pink with apparently roving strikes zones? As a fan of the sport watching it.. she was not consistent IMO. I think she squeezed at certain times in the game, situationally.

At least she equally pissed off both coaches.. so that was consistent.

[Al]

Originally Posted by socalumps

She was there...we wern't!!!!

Easy for you to be critical!!

Hi socalump,

I thought the umpire at 3rd base handled an unusual situation very well. The sit I'm referring to was where a player advanced to 3rd base while another runner, who was in a rundown between 3rd and home, ended up coming back to 3rd. For a moment both were standing on 3rd. A tag came just after the runner got back to 3rd and the other runner, who didn't belong there, started running back to 2nd. I wish I recorded it because I thought I heard one of the commentators say something to this affect: "The tag didn't get the out because the other runner got off the base before the tag came, if they were both on the base she would have been out on the tag". If that is what she was saying she was wrong because the only one subject to being tagged out would be the player that was not rightfully on the base. ...Al

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

And the PU's zone was pretty laughable .. and ever changing.

I only watched a couple of innings, but I didn't see anything wrong with it while I was watching. What are you referring to?

[CecilOne]

They mentioned ISF rules a few times, so apparently it was under ISF. After all, two nations.
Was MS correct about the safety base in ISF, colored portion can't be used returning to the base after an overrun?
What about having to use it on any ball hit in the infield, rather than just when there is a play at 1st?

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by Skahtboi

I only watched a couple of innings, but I didn't see anything wrong with it while I was watching.

Lots of bordeline pitches, but I wasn't watching from the west.

[SRW]

Originally Posted by NDblue

BTW, who was the PU?

Well, that's Traci. She's going to the Olympics.
And the 3BU... that's Lori. She is also going to the Olympics.