check swing

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by WestMichBlue

OK, I am going to high-jack this thread just to have some fun.

Same situation; checked swing, PU says Ball, F2 misses pitch.

B1 backs out of the batter's box, but F2 retrieved the ball quickly and R1 does not come home. As F1 walks back to the plate area, she (or her coach) asks you to appeal the check swing.

1. If you are the PU, would you appeal? Yes? No?

2. If you were my partner, and you thought the checked swing went too far, would you call strike? Yes? No?

The reason I am asking this is that B1 stayed at home due to the BALL call. If the call is changed to a strike, B1 has no chance to advance and is tagged out by F2 at the plate. By appealing, and risking a change to a strike, are we puting the offense at a disavantage?

WMB

There are some times we have to apply the rules, even if it does not seem fair to someone. In this case, unless 100% certain there was no swing, the PU should ask the BU and go with the call. No, the batters should not be taught to run with 2 strikes regardless of the call, but should know that her "swing" might be ruled a strike and react accordingly.

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

There are some times we have to apply the rules, even if it does not seem fair to someone. In this case, unless 100% certain there was no swing, the PU should ask the BU and go with the call. No, the batters should not be taught to run with 2 strikes regardless of the call, but should know that her "swing" might be ruled a strike and react accordingly.

I think NCAA has a rule that you MUST allow the check swing appeal.

As far as I know, unless mike is going to say "look at page ___ para 2 line 4", ASA doesnt require it and so its not an appeal play as it essentially is with NCAA

In ASA I believe the God Rule can be applied here as a saving grace as well.

[IRISHMAFIA]

A) If the umpire calls the pitch a strike, there is no appeal in any way shape or form. Why is that, you ask?

Because if you did not see the ball pass through part of the strike zone, or did not see a swing, you would have called it a ball. Like outs, strikes shouldn't be "guessed". So, if you called a pitch a strike, you saw a strike and/or the batter swing.

Going for help on a swing/strike call is acknowledging you do not know what you are doing behind the plate.

B) A base umpire should ALWAYS offer what they saw. Again, if unsure of the alleged swing, the BU should offer a "safe" signal with a verbal "NO".

C) ASA does not require the PU ask for help upon request, but indicates a PU that is unsure of a swing SHOULD go to the BU for help (ASA Umpire Manual, page 221 ).