check swing

[just98]

1 out, runner on third, 0-2 count, batter checks her swing, catcher drops ball
coach tells her to run, catcher now throws ball to first, out, now runner on third comes home, and is taged out.
now the offensive wants to appeal the swing! saying she did not swing and the count should be 1-2.
so i ask can the offensive do this?

[Mountaineer]

If it's ME, my first thought is to say, "I said, yes she did coach . . . sorry."

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by just98

1 out, runner on third, 0-2 count, batter checks her swing, catcher drops ball
coach tells her to run, catcher now throws ball to first, out, now runner on third comes home, and is taged out.
now the offensive wants to appeal the swing! saying she did not swing and the count should be 1-2.
so i ask can the offensive do this?

If "batter checks her swing", why is it a strike?

However, if a swing is called a strike, usually not reversible.

[bluezebra]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

If "batter checks her swing", why is it a strike?

However, if a swing is called a strike, usually not reversible.

USUALLY? There is no appeal on a strike call. Only the defense may ask for help on a checked swing called a ball.

Bob

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by bluezebra

USUALLY? There is no appeal on a strike call. Only the defense may ask for help on a checked swing called a ball.

Bob

I don't write true/false rules tests, so I don't say always or never.

[bluezebra]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

I don't write true/false rules tests, so I don't say always or never.

That's a cop-out. There is no appeal on a checked swing strike call.

Bob

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by bluezebra

That's a cop-out. There is no appeal on a checked swing strike call.

Bob

A means I'm fooling around.

I didn't say "appeal on a checked swing strike call", I said "not reversible", trying to provoke discussion.

[SRW]

Coach, you must not have seen me signal the strike. She clearly made an attempt. You even said so yourself; you told her to run!

[bluezebra]

Originally Posted by just98

1 out, runner on third, 0-2 count, batter checks her swing, catcher drops ball
coach tells her to run, catcher now throws ball to first, out, now runner on third comes home, and is taged out.
now the offensive wants to appeal the swing! saying she did not swing and the count should be 1-2.
so i ask can the offensive do this?

This is one of the most incomplete, confusing posts yet.

1..Checked swing. What was the call? Ball, strike??
2..If pitch was a strike, B-R out at 1B, R3 TAGGED out at home. Three outs. Inning over.
3..The offense may not appeal a strike call.
4..Does your keyboard have capital letters?

Bob

[umpharp]

Originally Posted by bluezebra

This is one of the most incomplete, confusing posts yet.

1..Checked swing. What was the call? Ball, strike??
2..If pitch was a strike, B-R out at 1B, R3 TAGGED out at home. Three outs. Inning over.
3..The offense may not appeal a strike call.
4..Does your keyboard have capital letters?

Bob

I don't know about his keyboard, but mine has all capital letters. They just don't work without that pesky Shift being pushed.
If I was you, I would check your keyboard. It looks like your period key is sticking.
I read his post just fine.

[WestMichBlue]

OK, I am going to high-jack this thread just to have some fun.

Same situation; checked swing, PU says Ball, F2 misses pitch.

B1 backs out of the batter's box, but F2 retrieved the ball quickly and R1 does not come home. As F1 walks back to the plate area, she (or her coach) asks you to appeal the check swing.

1. If you are the PU, would you appeal? Yes? No?

2. If you were my partner, and you thought the checked swing went too far, would you call strike? Yes? No?

The reason I am asking this is that B1 stayed at home due to the BALL call. If the call is changed to a strike, B1 has no chance to advance and is tagged out by F2 at the plate. By appealing, and risking a change to a strike, are we puting the offense at a disavantage?

WMB

[umpharp]

Interesting questions WMB

This has happened to me during a game. I beleive it was 14U or 16U. I was BU. Nobody on base. 1 Out. 2 Strikes on B1. B1 attempted to check her swing, but there was no question to me that she swung. PU called a ball. Ball got by catcher. Defense coach asks for PU to ask. He did and I rung her up on a "Yes She did."
Offensive coach never said anything, she went to the dugout and the game continued. I hadn't thought about it until I read WMB's post.

[Steve M]

Originally Posted by WestMichBlue

OK, I am going to high-jack this thread just to have some fun.

Same situation; checked swing, PU says Ball, F2 misses pitch.

B1 backs out of the batter's box, but F2 retrieved the ball quickly and R1 does not come home. As F1 walks back to the plate area, she (or her coach) asks you to appeal the check swing.

1. If you are the PU, would you appeal? Yes? No?

2. If you were my partner, and you thought the checked swing went too far, would you call strike? Yes? No?

The reason I am asking this is that B1 stayed at home due to the BALL call. If the call is changed to a strike, B1 has no chance to advance and is tagged out by F2 at the plate. By appealing, and risking a change to a strike, are we puting the offense at a disavantage?

WMB

OK, IF this is ASA or Fed ball, I am not going to my partner. My response is "Catcher, I had a great look at that one. There was no swing."
In college ball, I go to my partner & we have whatever my partner has.
If I'm the BU, you get whatever I saw every time you come to me.

[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by Steve M

OK, IF this is ASA or Fed ball, I am not going to my partner. My response is "Catcher, I had a great look at that one. There was no swing."
In college ball, I go to my partner & we have whatever my partner has.
If I'm the BU, you get whatever I saw every time you come to me.

In college, no option, we must go if asked. BU must make the call s/he saw; period. In ASA/NFHS, it is optional, but, I will not refuse just because I called it and no one ran; that is their problem, and their failure. If I know I saw every part, I might refuse, but, if there is any chance I might have not seen it all (and that is very likely if you track the ball all the way), then refusing to go for the checked swing help is just wrong, IMO.

As BU, if PU asks me after calling it a swing, it just doesn't matter what I think of the judgment. My response will be "I cannot rule on a called swing; that cannot be appealed to the base umpire".

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by WestMichBlue

OK, I am going to high-jack this thread just to have some fun.

Same situation; checked swing, PU says Ball, F2 misses pitch.

B1 backs out of the batter's box, but F2 retrieved the ball quickly and R1 does not come home. As F1 walks back to the plate area, she (or her coach) asks you to appeal the check swing.

1. If you are the PU, would you appeal? Yes? No?

2. If you were my partner, and you thought the checked swing went too far, would you call strike? Yes? No?

The reason I am asking this is that B1 stayed at home due to the BALL call. If the call is changed to a strike, B1 has no chance to advance and is tagged out by F2 at the plate. By appealing, and risking a change to a strike, are we puting the offense at a disavantage?

WMB

There are some times we have to apply the rules, even if it does not seem fair to someone. In this case, unless 100% certain there was no swing, the PU should ask the BU and go with the call. No, the batters should not be taught to run with 2 strikes regardless of the call, but should know that her "swing" might be ruled a strike and react accordingly.