The state of the game.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by Dakota

Is it cheating if the umpire doesn't call it?

How about it's cheating only if the umpire doesn't call it?

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

How about it's cheating only if the umpire doesn't call it?

Ok, but who is the one cheating?

[Dakota]

Personally, I don't have a problem with either of the examples posted in any game with 2 umpires. Both of those rules involve conisderable judgment, and I do not consider it "cheating" to find out the limits of the umpire's judgment. Not much different from finding the strike zone. True, it is not against the rules to pitch a ball, but, still, there is a penalty for it of sorts.

Now, in 1 umpire games, I don't consider it to be testing the limits of umpire judgment, but rather trying to get away with something because the umpire cannot see it clearly. I get very annoyed with that.