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Personally, I don't have a problem with either of the examples posted in any game with 2 umpires. Both of those rules involve conisderable judgment, and I do not consider it "cheating" to find out the limits of the umpire's judgment. Not much different from finding the strike zone. True, it is not against the rules to pitch a ball, but, still, there is a penalty for it of sorts.
Now, in 1 umpire games, I don't consider it to be testing the limits of umpire judgment, but rather trying to get away with something because the umpire cannot see it clearly. I get very annoyed with that.
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Tom
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