Misapplication of rule???

[Insane Blue]

Was this handled correctly per NFHS Code.

1 out Bases loaded.
B4 hits a shot to outfield for 2nd out runners tag up, play at third for 3rd out.

Coach ask "did run count" PU states the runner missed the plate as she passed it so no run.


The BU gets together with PU and discusses the play. PU states that the runner crossed the plate before the 3rd out but missed the base but retouched the plate after the 3rd out.

BU informs the PU umpire that by rule the Runner is to be considered safe as the Defense did not appeal the missed plate and the fact that the runner came back and touched the plate before a 4th out appeal that the run should in fact score.

I was the BU for this game. I belong to 2 HS groups and have been told 2 different things.
Is this a correctable misapplication of the rules and was it handled properly.

[chapmaja]

Originally Posted by Insane Blue

Was this handled correctly per NFHS Code.

1 out Bases loaded.
B4 hits a shot to outfield for 2nd out runners tag up, play at third for 3rd out.

Coach ask "did run count" PU states the runner missed the plate as she passed it so no run.


The BU gets together with PU and discusses the play. PU states that the runner crossed the plate before the 3rd out but missed the base but retouched the plate after the 3rd out.

BU informs the PU umpire that by rule the Runner is to be considered safe as the Defense did not appeal the missed plate and the fact that the runner came back and touched the plate before a 4th out appeal that the run should in fact score.

I was the BU for this game. I belong to 2 HS groups and have been told 2 different things.
Is this a correctable misapplication of the rules and was it handled properly.

the first thing I have to ask is when did the runner come back and touch the plate? Was it after the PU had indicated to the coach the run did not score, or was it an immediate act before any influence by the umpire?

Either way I have the run scoring as there was no appeal for the runner missing the plate and she did cross the plate prior to the third out on a timing play.

[Insane Blue]

Originally Posted by chapmaja

the first thing I have to ask is when did the runner come back and touch the plate? Was it after the PU had indicated to the coach the run did not score, or was it an immediate act before any influence by the umpire?

Either way I have the run scoring as there was no appeal for the runner missing the plate and she did cross the plate prior to the third out on a timing play.

Immediately no influence by PU

[CecilOne]

It comes down to a runner is considered to have reached a base that they passed; unless the defense correctly appeals the miss.

Umpires may not rule on an appealable play until asked.
Calling a player out for a missed base or a calling a run not counting violates that rule.

[Insane Blue]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

It comes down to a runner is considered to have reached a base that they passed; unless the defense correctly appeals the miss.

Umpires may not rule on an appealable play until asked.
Calling a player out for a missed base or a calling a run not counting violates that rule.

The question becomes as the BU did I do the right thing in going to my partner to correct the misapplication of PU ruling no run.

I am getting 2 different statements from the 2 HS units I work with.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Insane Blue

The question becomes as the BU did I do the right thing in going to my partner to correct the misapplication of PU ruling no run.

I am getting 2 different statements from the 2 HS units I work with.

If it is a misapplication of a rule, you should definitely discuss it with your partner, but try doing it discreetly. And you better be sure you are correct

[youngump]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

And you better be sure you are correct

But is he here? I'm without access to a book at the moment. But I would have said that by fixing the baserunning mistake the point at which the runner scored was when she ACTUALLY touched the plate.

[jmkupka]

Yep, if it's a rule interp situation, you as the partner can (discretely) give your opinion, unsolicited, to the calling umpire

if she passed HP before the 3rd out, and no appeal before the retouch, the run counts.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by Insane Blue

The question becomes as the BU did I do the right thing in going to my partner to correct the misapplication of PU ruling no run.

I am getting 2 different statements from the 2 HS units I work with.

I would discuss with my partner, PRIVATELY.

What are the specifics of the two versions?