JO pool play EP

[Tru_in_Blu]

More pool play stuff. We hosted an invitational this weekend. Saturday was pool play.

Starter #13

Substitute #11 for #13

Re-enter #13

Coach: "Blue, I want to re-enter #11 and use #13 as a pinch runner."

Me: "Hold on coach, let's do this one at a time. You want to re-enter #11? If so, that means #13 is out and has no re-entries left. Is that what you want to do?"

Coach: "I can't use her (#13) as a pinch runner?"

Me: "No, she will be considered out of the game."

Coach: "OK, never mind."

Me: "So you have no changes at this time?"

Coach: "No changes."

Question which didn't come up and which never was pursued:

If there was a pitcher or catcher on base at the time (bases were actually loaded, although I wasn't sure if a pitcher or catcher was one of the runners), could the coach have made the re-entry of #11, removing #13 from the bases. Then, could #13 have been a CR for a pitcher or catcher on base? (There had been no CR usage up to this point in the game.)

[Tru_in_Blu]

Hey, Ceese,

You were right about no one answering questions on this post.

Gets lots of views, but no answers.

Guess no one knows or really cares about pool play.

[Duke]

I'll take a shot at this. I would allow #13 to be a CR under the pool play EP rules. Rule states any player on the roster can be a CR. All other rules do apply to the CR though with the exception of C which states player can not have been in the game.

I am heading into my first JO tourney this weekend so should be interesting.

[BretMan]

A "what if" roster batting question I was thinking about this morning...

Team is batting the entire roster in pool play- let's say 14 batters.

Somewhere along the line, B7 is injured. Coach removes her from the line-up, but doesn't report this to the umpire.

Next time through, B6 completes her at-bat, then B8 comes to the plate. B8 completes at-bat, then defensive coach protests batting out of order.

Is there a such a thing as an unreported line-up compression???

And if there is, what is the penalty???

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by BretMan

A "what if" roster batting question I was thinking about this morning...

Team is batting the entire roster in pool play- let's say 14 batters.

Somewhere along the line, B7 is injured. Coach removes her from the line-up, but doesn't report this to the umpire.

Next time through, B6 completes her at-bat, then B8 comes to the plate. B8 completes at-bat, then defensive coach protests batting out of order.

Is there a such a thing as an unreported line-up compression???

And if there is, what is the penalty???

If umpires did not know B7 was removed, she is still in the lineup. It does not matter if the defense knows unless the umpires do.

[BretMan]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

If umpires did not know B7 was removed, she is still in the lineup. It does not matter if the defense knows unless the umpires do.

That's what I was thinking. But, which rule tells us that a "compression" must be reported to the umpire?

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by BretMan

That's what I was thinking. But, which rule tells us that a "compression" must be reported to the umpire?

Maybe RS 51, by implication.

My point was that if not reported, it stays the same.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by BretMan

That's what I was thinking. But, which rule tells us that a "compression" must be reported to the umpire?

Do you know of any other instance where the batting order changes where the changes is no required to be reported?

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by Tru_in_Blu

More pool play stuff. Question which didn't come up and which never was pursued:

If there was a pitcher or catcher on base at the time (bases were actually loaded, although I wasn't sure if a pitcher or catcher was one of the runners), could the coach have made the re-entry of #11, removing #13 from the bases. Then, could #13 have been a CR for a pitcher or catcher on base? (There had been no CR usage up to this point in the game.)

I have to agree with Duke, any player may be CR; in this case #13 whether she has re-entry or not.

For the original sub comment, you did not say #13 was on base. Ok, then #11 would be on base; leaving 2 other possible runners as pitcher or catcher .

Given coaches general weakness on terms ("the SS interfered" ); I suggest asking the coach if he/she meant pinch runner or courtesy runner.


Pool play lineup exceptions have been ambiguous at best.