ASA - Batter/Runner touches 1st thinks ball is dropped and heads towards dugout

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Again, NOT an appeal.

Ok, if not advancing and did not miss the base.

Do you agree with this:
"On the actual serious front the rules require a BR who overruns first to return immediately to the base"?

[jmkupka]

That's only when the ball's in the circle (8.7.t)
And I don't think it's "immediately", just directly.
She can mosey on back, as long as she doesn't change her mind about where she's going.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by jmkupka

That's only when the ball's in the circle (8.7.t)
And I don't think it's "immediately", just directly.
She can mosey on back, as long as she doesn't change her mind about where she's going.

This is true, there is no "time restriction", but the rule does say "directly" and walking to the 1st base dugout is not a direct return to the base as required.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

Ok, if not advancing and did not miss the base.

Do you agree with this:
"On the actual serious front the rules require a BR who overruns first to return immediately to the base"?

Seems like we have discussed this before. While the book does say "immediately", there is no definition of what that means.

[youngump]

Originally Posted by Dakota

Seems like we have discussed this before. While the book does say "immediately", there is no definition of what that means.

And being extremely technical the rule merely says that the BR is not out if they return immediately. It says nothing about what happens if the BR doesn't unless they advance to second.

[teebob21]

Originally Posted by youngump

And being extremely technical the rule merely says that the BR is not out if they return immediately. It says nothing about what happens if the BR doesn't unless they advance to second.

At the risk of seeming combative, I bet my dollar that the word "immediately" will not be found with a rule cite referring to a BR overrunning first.

The operative word is "directly". 8-8-I

...just being a late night rules (plus beer) pedant, as umpires are wont to do....

[josephrt1]

OK, I will claim that dollar.

Obviously this is a different situation with the look-back rule when the ball is in the circle. But to take your challenge literally, here is a citing (8.7.T.2). The word over-run and immediately do appear in the same sentence but not in 8.8.I.

8.7.T.2. A batter-runner who over-runs first base toward right field, turns left and immediately stops, must then return non-stop to first base or attempt to advance non-stop to second base.

Please realize this is being done in jest. I understand the rule but just responding literally to the words in your challenge.

[teebob21]

Originally Posted by josephrt1

OK, I will claim that dollar.

Obviously this is a different situation with the look-back rule when the ball is in the circle. But to take your challenge literally, here is a citing (8.7.T.2). The word over-run and immediately do appear in the same sentence but not in 8.8.I.

8.7.T.2. A batter-runner who over-runs first base toward right field, turns left and immediately stops, must then return non-stop to first base or attempt to advance non-stop to second base.

Please realize this is being done in jest. I understand the rule but just responding literally to the words in your challenge.

Hoisted on my own petard -- I'd briefly forgotten that the look back rule covers overrunning explicitly. Well done.

[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by teebob21

Hoisted on my own petard -- I'd briefly forgotten that the look back rule covers overrunning explicitly. Well done.

For the record:

Whenever members of this board have gotten together (it used to happen a bit at ASA National UIC Clinics, for example, and a few at ASA National Council Meetings), no bet was ever accepted as a dollar. The only accepted currency was to buy a beer (or 7) for the other.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by teebob21

At the risk of seeming combative, I bet my dollar that the word "immediately" will not be found with a rule cite referring to a BR overrunning first.

The operative word is "directly". 8-8-I

...just being a late night rules (plus beer) pedant, as umpires are wont to do....

Yeah. I admit I did not look up the rule; just took someone's word for it! (Thanks, Cecil! )