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[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by Andy

What was the situation?

A starter, replaced, reentered, replaced, reentered a second time.
I recognized her because originally a pitcher and because I said "that's her reentry" to the coach the first time.
Might not have noticed right away if an outfielder.

[Andy]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

A starter, replaced, reentered, replaced, reentered a second time.
I recognized her because originally a pitcher and because I said "that's her reentry" to the coach the first time.
Might not have noticed right away if an outfielder.

That's what I was thinking....I still wouldn't have done anything on my own.
You now have an illegal substitute, which carries a heavier penalty that could be to the other team's advantage.

Let the other team bring it up when it is to their advantage. If they don't, then they weren't paying attention or chose not to appeal.

This all assumes the player was not reported, if the coach tries to report her back in the game, you are obviously not going to allow it.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Andy

That's what I was thinking....I still wouldn't have done anything on my own.
You now have an illegal substitute, which carries a heavier penalty that could be to the other team's advantage.

Let the other team bring it up when it is to their advantage. If they don't, then they weren't paying attention or chose not to appeal.

This all assumes the player was not reported, if the coach tries to report her back in the game, you are obviously not going to allow it.

I disagree. IMO, if you know a player is not entitled to enter the game, you don't allow it just as you wouldn't allow a team to move the FLEX into a position in the batter order for other than the DP

[chapmaja]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

I disagree. IMO, if you know a player is not entitled to enter the game, you don't allow it just as you wouldn't allow a team to move the FLEX into a position in the batter order for other than the DP

What about the legal standpoint on this. Player A has illegally entered the game. She is later injured while participating illegally in the game. The scorebooks show that she should not have been in the game. The family of said player now decide to sue anyone and everyone for this injury. Now you have an issue to deal with. Even if you are not ruled against, and you have insurance to cover defending a lawsuit like this, you have the aggravation of dealing with this.

If you knowingly allow an illegal player into the game, and the rules specifically say when noticed, but don't specify by whom, you are expected to rule when you notice. Failure to do so is not following the rules.

[RKBUmp]

An illegal sub in NFHS carries more penalties and the offended coach can choose to take the result of the play or a do over if the illegal sub is involved in a play. What would your response be to a coach that was waiting for an opportune time to use the illegal sub to their advantage?

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by RKBUmp

An illegal sub in NFHS carries more penalties and the offended coach can choose to take the result of the play or a do over if the illegal sub is involved in a play. What would your response be to a coach that was waiting for an opportune time to use the illegal sub to their advantage?

Too bad, sorry, but rules are rules; and they are my job.

[chapmaja]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

Too bad, sorry, but rules are rules; and they are my job.

Completely agree. The rule should not read an illegal substitute may be discovered by the UMPIRE or by either team if they did not want the umpires doing this job. The rule is written the way it is for a reason. If we notice it, we need to enforce it. If the opposing team is "waiting for the opportune time" they are using this as gamesmanship more than playing within the spirit of the rules anyway.

I would have no problem if the rules said an illegal player may be noticed by either team, but that is not what the rule says.

What would I say to the coach who was waiting. "Coach, I am obligated under the rules to deal with it in this manner when I notice it."