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[RKBUmp]

An illegal sub in NFHS carries more penalties and the offended coach can choose to take the result of the play or a do over if the illegal sub is involved in a play. What would your response be to a coach that was waiting for an opportune time to use the illegal sub to their advantage?

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by RKBUmp

An illegal sub in NFHS carries more penalties and the offended coach can choose to take the result of the play or a do over if the illegal sub is involved in a play. What would your response be to a coach that was waiting for an opportune time to use the illegal sub to their advantage?

Too bad, sorry, but rules are rules; and they are my job.

[chapmaja]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

Too bad, sorry, but rules are rules; and they are my job.

Completely agree. The rule should not read an illegal substitute may be discovered by the UMPIRE or by either team if they did not want the umpires doing this job. The rule is written the way it is for a reason. If we notice it, we need to enforce it. If the opposing team is "waiting for the opportune time" they are using this as gamesmanship more than playing within the spirit of the rules anyway.

I would have no problem if the rules said an illegal player may be noticed by either team, but that is not what the rule says.

What would I say to the coach who was waiting. "Coach, I am obligated under the rules to deal with it in this manner when I notice it."

[RKBUmp]

The rule says nothing about the umpire being obligated to enforce it when noticed. The rule says may be discovered by the umpire.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

Too bad, sorry, but rules are rules; and they are my job.

So, do you make it a point to recognize every player on both teams, so you know when this happens each and every time?

Or, do you selectively enforce this against players that stand out for some reason?

[chapmaja]

Originally Posted by Dakota

So, do you make it a point to recognize every player on both teams, so you know when this happens each and every time?

Or, do you selectively enforce this against players that stand out for some reason?

You call what you can see. No different than having the bases loaded trying to call a running leaving early. You may not notice every time every runner leaves contact with the base, but are you going to not call it if you see it happen?

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by Dakota

So, do you make it a point to recognize every player on both teams, so you know when this happens each and every time?

Or, do you selectively enforce this against players that stand out for some reason?

I continue to appreciate your wisdom.

[chapmaja]

Originally Posted by RKBUmp

The rule says nothing about the umpire being obligated to enforce it when noticed. The rule says may be discovered by the umpire.

However, if you as an umpire notice it, since it is a rules violation, you are obligated to call it. It's called doing your job. The rule certainly does not say, "The umpire may notice an illegal substitute and fail to act upon it"

The simple fact is when you notice something illegal you have an obligation to act upon that knowledge in accordance with the rules.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by chapmaja

The simple fact is when you notice something illegal you have an obligation to act upon that knowledge in accordance with the rules.

Except those specifically requiring an appeal.

[Altor]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

Except those specifically requiring an appeal.

"in accordance with the rules."