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[Andy]

Originally Posted by chapmaja

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The situation was as follows? #4 was the starting right fielder for the home team. In the third inning, the coach came up and indicated that #18 was going in for #4 in the batting order (her team was up, and #4/#18's spot was the leadoff batter). The coach also informed me that #4 would be going back in on defense. I made it clear to the coach she had to tell me when the actual substitution was made for #4 going back in (as I can not accept a projected substitution). During the defensive half of the inning, I look out and see #4 back in the outfield. I warned the team for an unreported substitute because 1) The coach had been informed I needed to be made aware of the substitution when #4 went back in for #18 and 2) It is within my rights as the plate umpire to rule on such circumstances because I noticed the player not properly reported.

Yes...it is within your rights to issue a warning here, but in my opinion, this is the act of an OOO (over officious official) looking for boogers. Makes you appear to be looking for a "gotcha" call against this team.

Originally Posted by chapmaja

Now here is one for you guys. You have two outs and a running is caught stealing for the third out (during an at bat). Do you do anything in regards to the batter at bat. Personally I use preventative umpiring here as well. I will make sure everyone is on the same page as to who the leadoff batter is the next inning (the same girl that was in the box when the caught stealing occurred). If we then have an out of order issue, there is no confusion as to who should have been up.

I've got no problem with you doing this as long as you aren't obnoxious about it. I choose not to do this. It is not my job to track the batting order each time a batter comes up, only to rule on a batting out of order appeal.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by Andy

Yes...it is within your rights to issue a warning here, but in my opinion, this is the act of an OOO (over officious official) looking for boogers. Makes you appear to be looking for a "gotcha" call against this team.



I've got no problem with you doing this as long as you aren't obnoxious about it. I choose not to do this. It is not my job to track the batting order each time a batter comes up, only to rule on a batting out of order appeal.

Two years ago, I noticed an illegal re-entry that was unreported. I dealt with it and I do think it was my place to do so. Anyone disagree?

[Andy]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

Two years ago, I noticed an illegal re-entry that was unreported. I dealt with it and I do think it was my place to do so. Anyone disagree?

What was the situation?

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by Andy

What was the situation?

A starter, replaced, reentered, replaced, reentered a second time.
I recognized her because originally a pitcher and because I said "that's her reentry" to the coach the first time.
Might not have noticed right away if an outfielder.

[Andy]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

A starter, replaced, reentered, replaced, reentered a second time.
I recognized her because originally a pitcher and because I said "that's her reentry" to the coach the first time.
Might not have noticed right away if an outfielder.

That's what I was thinking....I still wouldn't have done anything on my own.
You now have an illegal substitute, which carries a heavier penalty that could be to the other team's advantage.

Let the other team bring it up when it is to their advantage. If they don't, then they weren't paying attention or chose not to appeal.

This all assumes the player was not reported, if the coach tries to report her back in the game, you are obviously not going to allow it.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Andy

That's what I was thinking....I still wouldn't have done anything on my own.
You now have an illegal substitute, which carries a heavier penalty that could be to the other team's advantage.

Let the other team bring it up when it is to their advantage. If they don't, then they weren't paying attention or chose not to appeal.

This all assumes the player was not reported, if the coach tries to report her back in the game, you are obviously not going to allow it.

I disagree. IMO, if you know a player is not entitled to enter the game, you don't allow it just as you wouldn't allow a team to move the FLEX into a position in the batter order for other than the DP

[chapmaja]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

I disagree. IMO, if you know a player is not entitled to enter the game, you don't allow it just as you wouldn't allow a team to move the FLEX into a position in the batter order for other than the DP

What about the legal standpoint on this. Player A has illegally entered the game. She is later injured while participating illegally in the game. The scorebooks show that she should not have been in the game. The family of said player now decide to sue anyone and everyone for this injury. Now you have an issue to deal with. Even if you are not ruled against, and you have insurance to cover defending a lawsuit like this, you have the aggravation of dealing with this.

If you knowingly allow an illegal player into the game, and the rules specifically say when noticed, but don't specify by whom, you are expected to rule when you notice. Failure to do so is not following the rules.