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Old Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:30pm
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ASA does not have an out call for flagrant/excessive or malicious contact.
Your words. You didn't specify by situation.

ASA does have an out call for flagrant contact.
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Old Thu Mar 24, 2016, 09:09am
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Your words. You didn't specify by situation.

ASA does have an out call for flagrant contact.
Which rule do you mean?
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Old Thu Mar 24, 2016, 11:52am
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which rule do you mean?
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Old Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:55pm
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I find it very poor of ASA to not have this rule. Very silly.
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Old Fri Mar 25, 2016, 06:56am
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I find it very poor of ASA to not have this rule. Very silly.


It's a rule of equity. Simple as that.
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Old Fri Mar 25, 2016, 09:27am
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It's a rule of equity. Simple as that.
Huh? Oh, a legal term.
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Old Fri Mar 25, 2016, 09:34am
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Getting back to useful questions.

1) Is the ejection immediate? IOW, no further action by that player counts?

2) What is the difference between malicious and flagrant? NFHS defines malicious as "excesive force". ASA does not define either.
Malicious in a dictionary means "having or showing a desire to cause harm to another person".

If this is a hijack, tell me and I'll repost separately.
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Old Thu Mar 24, 2016, 03:17pm
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I think that rule then and pardon my French is bullshit. On what grounds can you eject if you don't have enough to have an out and a dead ball? The two should be inclusive to each other
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Old Thu Mar 24, 2016, 05:47pm
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I think that rule then and pardon my French is bullshit. On what grounds can you eject if you don't have enough to have an out and a dead ball? The two should be inclusive to each other
Rule 1: Ejected Participant - A team representative removed from the game by the umpire, usually for an unsportsmanlike act or conduct.

Trucking a player without the ball just because there is no other penalty in the ASA rules = unsportsmanlike conduct. Now, I don't disagree with you that perhaps there should be an additional penalty for a bush league move like this, but unless someone gives a rule cite, there simply isn't one.
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Old Thu Mar 24, 2016, 06:01pm
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I think that rule then and pardon my French is bullshit. On what grounds can you eject if you don't have enough to have an out and a dead ball? The two should be inclusive to each other
Ever hear of unsportsmanlike conduct?


They used to have an out in the old regime when MB & HP justified the call with a long stretch of rule interpretations.

In 2009, I proposed a change which removed the words "has the ball" which would result in an INT ruling including an out for the runner who creates flagrant contact with a possible subsequent ejection.
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Old Thu Mar 24, 2016, 09:07pm
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Ever hear of unsportsmanlike conduct?


They used to have an out in the old regime when MB & HP justified the call with a long stretch of rule interpretations.

In 2009, I proposed a change which removed the words "has the ball" which would result in an INT ruling including an out for the runner who creates flagrant contact with a possible subsequent ejection.
I agree 100%. Unsportsmanlike Conduct, Unsportsmanlike Conduct, Unsportsmanlike Conduct. Use some common sense. You see a player with or without the ball and they get intentionaly taken by a offensive player just to be taking her out. And she should be called out and ejected. RS 13 or what ever you want to say. But I am ejecting and calling out.
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Old Thu Mar 24, 2016, 09:24pm
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If you are working an asa game and the fielder does not have the ball you have no rule basis to call an out.
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Old Thu Mar 24, 2016, 06:40pm
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Of course I have heard of unsportsmanlike conduct......which is how you eject in any rule set. Maybe ASA should stop worrying about chin straps and silly things like that and get this rule right. Around here, it's fallen by the wayside anyway so it's nothing to me but I'd be bothered with an ejection but no out in this type of play.
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Old Thu Mar 24, 2016, 08:40pm
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Of course I have heard of unsportsmanlike conduct......which is how you eject in any rule set. Maybe ASA should stop worrying about chin straps and silly things like that and get this rule right. Around here, it's fallen by the wayside anyway so it's nothing to me but I'd be bothered with an ejection but no out in this type of play.
If I'm.not mistaken asa no longer requires chin straps.
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Old Thu Mar 24, 2016, 08:54pm
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If I'm.not mistaken asa no longer requires chin straps.

I'll admit I don't know bc I don't do it anymore. But last time I did, chin straps was all anyone was concerned about. I found it very silly.
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