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ASA does have an out call for flagrant contact.
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Which rule do you mean?
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It's a rule of equity. Simple as that.
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Getting back to useful questions.
1) Is the ejection immediate? IOW, no further action by that player counts? 2) What is the difference between malicious and flagrant? NFHS defines malicious as "excesive force". ASA does not define either. Malicious in a dictionary means "having or showing a desire to cause harm to another person". If this is a hijack, tell me and I'll repost separately.
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I think that rule then and pardon my French is bullshit. On what grounds can you eject if you don't have enough to have an out and a dead ball? The two should be inclusive to each other
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Trucking a player without the ball just because there is no other penalty in the ASA rules = unsportsmanlike conduct. Now, I don't disagree with you that perhaps there should be an additional penalty for a bush league move like this, but unless someone gives a rule cite, there simply isn't one.
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They used to have an out in the old regime when MB & HP justified the call with a long stretch of rule interpretations. In 2009, I proposed a change which removed the words "has the ball" which would result in an INT ruling including an out for the runner who creates flagrant contact with a possible subsequent ejection.
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Of course I have heard of unsportsmanlike conduct......which is how you eject in any rule set. Maybe ASA should stop worrying about chin straps and silly things like that and get this rule right. Around here, it's fallen by the wayside anyway so it's nothing to me but I'd be bothered with an ejection but no out in this type of play.
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I'll admit I don't know bc I don't do it anymore. But last time I did, chin straps was all anyone was concerned about. I found it very silly. |
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