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Old Mon Jul 25, 2011, 08:52pm
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Malicious Contact

I was told by someone that Babe Ruth, Legion, and NCAA baseball do not have malicious contact rules. I am 99% sure they do........just checking.

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Old Mon Jul 25, 2011, 08:57pm
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You are correct.
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Not exactly.

The NCAA has rulings about flagrant and malicious contact regarding collisions. See pages 103 and 104 in the current rule book - 8-7 handles it, while 2-30 on page 32 defines it as "A collison between a base runner and a fielder in which the runner maliciously attempts to dislodge the ball.

The 2011 Rules Meetings showed numerous videos and the 2011 NCAA Baseball Supplement has six paragraphs on page 12 emphasizing the particulars. The runner must not attempt to dislodge the ball and avoid a collison if he can reach the base without colliding.

In NCAA baseball, a runner who violates the rule is out. Malicious contact also results in an ejection.

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You are correct.
Thanks......I was able to find the NCAA rule. I did not go hunting a legion book.

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Old Mon Jul 25, 2011, 10:41pm
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Not exactly.

The NCAA has rulings about flagrant and malicious contact regarding collisions. See pages 103 and 104 in the current rule book - 8-7 handles it, while 2-30 on page 32 defines it as "A collison between a base runner and a fielder in which the runner maliciously attempts to dislodge the ball.

The 2011 Rules Meetings showed numerous videos and the 2011 NCAA Baseball Supplement has six paragraphs on page 12 emphasizing the particulars. The runner must not attempt to dislodge the ball and avoid a collison if he can reach the base without colliding.

In NCAA baseball, a runner who violates the rule is out. Malicious contact also results in an ejection.

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Mike,

Just to point out one minor issue here: FED has the same provision, though the language is different. You can have interference on contact that is not malicious. BR, Legion, and other rules codes follow the FED language here.
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Mike,

Just to point out one minor issue here: FED has the same provision, though the language is different. You can have interference on contact that is not malicious. BR, Legion, and other rules codes follow the FED language here.
I called Legion and Jr. Teenage ball (which I think is Babe Ruth now) in the late 70's and into the 80's.......they had few provisions for safety like it is written now. But I do remember they all still had language that prohibited flagrant contact.

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Old Tue Jul 26, 2011, 08:03am
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Not exactly.

The NCAA has rulings about flagrant and malicious contact regarding collisions. See pages 103 and 104 in the current rule book - 8-7 handles it, while 2-30 on page 32 defines it as "A collison between a base runner and a fielder in which the runner maliciously attempts to dislodge the ball.

The 2011 Rules Meetings showed numerous videos and the 2011 NCAA Baseball Supplement has six paragraphs on page 12 emphasizing the particulars. The runner must not attempt to dislodge the ball and avoid a collison if he can reach the base without colliding.

In NCAA baseball, a runner who violates the rule is out. Malicious contact also results in an ejection.

Good luck.
Muh... what? How is this "not exactly" having rules about malicious contact?
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Old Tue Jul 26, 2011, 08:24am
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And MLB?

And MLB? Are there any malicious contact or unsafe play rules there?
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Old Wed Jul 27, 2011, 07:10am
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I was told by someone that Babe Ruth, Legion, and NCAA baseball do not have malicious contact rules. I am 99% sure they do........just checking.

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Joel
Most of our Legion teams played FED during the summer, but I don't remember what Legion uses now .... been several years ago since i've called any Legion teams.

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Old Wed Jul 27, 2011, 12:09pm
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Legion Rule Book, page 3, Rule 1 E (2) contains a highlighted box entitled "Malicious Contact" which begins: "Any player who, in the judgement of the umpire, maliciously contacts another player is automatically ejected, and, if the offender is a runner, is declared out."
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Old Wed Jul 27, 2011, 01:19pm
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Muh... what? How is this "not exactly" having rules about malicious contact?
I responded to the first two posts regarding Babe Ruth, Legion and NCAA baseball. Read them.

NCAA baseball has a FLAGRANT COLLISION rule, it is not called malicious contact, thus the 'not exactly'. I included all of their language and rules notations. Fed, Legion and a couple other rule sets call it 'Malicious Contact'.
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Old Wed Jul 27, 2011, 02:10pm
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I called Legion and Jr. Teenage ball (which I think is Babe Ruth now) in the late 70's and into the 80's.......they had few provisions for safety like it is written now. But I do remember they all still had language that prohibited flagrant contact.

Thanks again.

Joel
It was like that when I was doing Pony, Colt, and Palomino in the mid-80's. Many leagues allowed and even encouraged Rose/Fosse style plays at the plate. I believe it was 88 or 89 before they started adding in safety rules at the local levels here.
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