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Old Tue Jun 09, 2009, 09:07pm
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Malicious Contact?

On the play where the CF catches it and the runner tags is there anything here? Malicious contact? Does the arm flying out give you anything? Nothing?

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Old Tue Jun 09, 2009, 09:22pm
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On the play where the CF catches it and the runner tags is there anything here? Malicious contact? Does the arm flying out give you anything? Nothing?
It's not the arm, but the shoulder, that makes it MC IMO. When I pause it immediately before contact, the shoulder is lowered like a running back trying to run through a tackle.
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Old Tue Jun 09, 2009, 09:23pm
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I couldn't get the video to load. What level ball are we talking about?
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Old Tue Jun 09, 2009, 09:46pm
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I couldn't get the video to load. What level ball are we talking about?
High school.
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Old Tue Jun 09, 2009, 10:10pm
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It's not the arm, but the shoulder, that makes it MC IMO. When I pause it immediately before contact, the shoulder is lowered like a running back trying to run through a tackle.
I've got nothing.

Looks a runner bracing for contact with a player that has no right to be in front of him and an arm flying up as a result of the contact for which he was bracing.

I'd like to know what the second coach to get run said prior to being ejected, though.

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Old Tue Jun 09, 2009, 10:19pm
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Looks a runner bracing for contact with a player that has no right to be in front of him and an arm flying up as a result of the contact for which he was bracing.
Well, we agree on the arm and the catcher. Most people don't brace by leaning forward, though--they attempt to absorb it by leaning backward.
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Old Tue Jun 09, 2009, 10:24pm
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Well, we agree on the arm and the catcher. Most people don't brace by leaning forward, though--they attempt to absorb it by leaning backward.
Some people run more shoulders over toes than others. He seemed to be still be running hard not quite knowing where the ball was. JMO.
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Old Tue Jun 09, 2009, 10:33pm
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I think by virtue of the phrase itself, you need contact for there to be "malicious contact".

I know what it looks like he tried to do, but he didn't do it. I got nothing.
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Old Tue Jun 09, 2009, 10:38pm
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I think by virtue of the phrase itself, you need contact for there to be "malicious contact".

I know what it looks like he tried to do, but he didn't do it. I got nothing.
You're saying you didn't see contact? The catcher staggered backwards as a result of it--the legs, at a minimum, definitely made contact at about the knees.
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Old Tue Jun 09, 2009, 10:39pm
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Some people run more shoulders over toes than others. He seemed to be still be running hard not quite knowing where the ball was. JMO.
I'd agree with you, but he was running fairly straight up until he saw the catcher. As he neared the catcher, that's when the lean occurred.
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Old Tue Jun 09, 2009, 10:49pm
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Did the runner touch home plate? Sure didn't look like it.

I've got nothing as far as the contact goes. If the ball had beaten him there, the catcher would have had it in time to tag him, which didn't happen.
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Old Tue Jun 09, 2009, 10:55pm
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Did the runner touch home plate? Sure didn't look like it.

I've got nothing as far as the contact goes. If the ball had beaten him there, the catcher would have had it in time to tag him, which didn't happen.
So, you don't have MC, but why don't you have obstruction?
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From what I see, there was minimal contact. It looks like the runner is setting up to plow the catcher over, but he backs up due to the throw and the runner misses both laying out the catcher and the plate as it looks to me.

Do we know what the call on the field was?
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Old Tue Jun 09, 2009, 11:01pm
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So, you don't have MC, but why don't you have obstruction?
I didn't say that I didn't have obstruction. I forgot to add that I would possibly have obstruction if I'm on the field making that call. I was just addressing the part about MC. It's definitely not MC.
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From what I see, there was minimal contact. It looks like the runner is setting up to plow the catcher over, but he backs up due to the throw and the runner misses both laying out the catcher and the plate as it looks to me.

Do we know what the call on the field was?
Judging by the two coaches ejected I'd guess there was no call and the run scored.
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