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Old Mon Oct 13, 2014, 05:07pm
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Old Mon Oct 13, 2014, 05:11pm
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Not sure if Texas follows different rules but seems to me that there were several people touching or behind the 35, can't tell about how many were on each side of the ball. But what stood out to me as well was I doesn't look like the ball hits the ground. Therefore k can't catch the ball. Also looks like he was advancing it which he also can't do. Now I watched this on my phone so I could be wrong about the ball hitting the ground on the kick.
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Old Mon Oct 13, 2014, 05:18pm
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All I see is a mobile site without a video or link.

The NCAA rule is different from the NFHS rule as far as free kick formations go. All kicking team players except the kicker must have at least one foot on the 35 (technically the 30 in pure NCAA but in Texas HS it is the 35) but the rest of them can be further than that. As I understand the NFHS rule, all of the kicking team players except the kicker must be entirely inside the 35 correct?
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Old Mon Oct 13, 2014, 05:28pm
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Is this the same play?

https://vine.co/v/OAX1YFQVDzq

If so, it seems legal as long as the wide out player was inside the numbers some point after the ready. In NCAA the ball does not have to touch the ground in order for the kicking team to legally recover, it only has to go 10 yards.
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Old Mon Oct 13, 2014, 05:31pm
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Old Mon Oct 13, 2014, 05:33pm
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Is this the same play?

https://vine.co/v/OAX1YFQVDzq

If so, it seems legal as long as the wide out player was inside the numbers some point after the ready. In NCAA the ball does not have to touch the ground in order for the kicking team to legally recover, it only has to go 10 yards.
That is is. This is a high school game though isn't it?
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Old Mon Oct 13, 2014, 05:34pm
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It is but jr high and high school play by NCAA rules here.
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I'm not sure if it is high school or not. This would have never happened in PA. Everyone needs to be inside the 35, not touching it. And if they were, the ball doesn't hit the ground, (if it does, I don't see it) so there would be an illegal touching penalty.
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Old Mon Oct 13, 2014, 05:36pm
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It is but jr high and high school play by NCAA rules here.
OK. Then it's a nice play.
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Old Mon Oct 13, 2014, 05:39pm
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I just watched the video you posted and it looks like the wide player shifted to outside the numbers however the player at the back of the huddle looks to be standing at about the 39. I think that makes this play illegal but it's close.
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The only remaining consideration is whether it's a simulated substitution. The player keeps facing in-field, so I don't think so. If it were, then you'd have to say teams don't get to use the whole width of the playing area to line up in.
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I'm not sure if it is high school or not. This would have never happened in PA. Everyone needs to be inside the 35, not touching it. And if they were, the ball doesn't hit the ground, (if it does, I don't see it) so there would be an illegal touching penalty.
I hope you mean kick catching interference. Illegal touching of a free kick is not a penalty in NFHS. Not saying it is not a foul, just the term "Illegal Touching" doesn't apply to a free kick in NFHS. There is first touching if within the neutral zone or KCI if touched before touching the ground, regardless if there was an R player in position to catch the ball.

Personal pet peeve of mine because of the 2-3 dozen times I have had to wipe off flags and explain to coaches why they don't get a "re-kick" after a first touching violation.

As for the video, looks completely legal to me for NCAA rules as I know them (Disclaimer, I don't work NCAA rules at any level but occasionally look up differences because of a request of a HS coach who had a rule wrong, or though a NCAA rule applied. It really makes a difference if a coach is a former college coach.

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I hope you mean kick catching interference. Illegal touching of a free kick is not a penalty in NFHS. Not saying it is not a foul, just the term "Illegal Touching" doesn't apply to a free kick in NFHS. There is first touching if within the neutral zone or KCI if touched before touching the ground, regardless if there was an R player in position to catch the ball.

Personal pet peeve of mine because of the 2-3 dozen times I have had to wipe off flags and explain to coaches why they don't get a "re-kick" after a first touching violation.

As for the video, looks completely legal to me for NCAA rules as I know them (Disclaimer, I don't work NCAA rules at any level but occasionally look up differences because of a request of a HS coach who had a rule wrong, or though a NCAA rule applied. It really makes a difference if a coach is a former college coach.

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That is what I meant. Thank you for the clarification.
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I hope you mean kick catching interference. Illegal touching of a free kick is not a penalty in NFHS. Not saying it is not a foul, just the term "Illegal Touching" doesn't apply to a free kick in NFHS. There is first touching if within the neutral zone or KCI if touched before touching the ground, regardless if there was an R player in position to catch the ball.

Personal pet peeve of mine because of the 2-3 dozen times I have had to wipe off flags and explain to coaches why they don't get a "re-kick" after a first touching violation.

As for the video, looks completely legal to me for NCAA rules as I know them (Disclaimer, I don't work NCAA rules at any level but occasionally look up differences because of a request of a HS coach who had a rule wrong, or though a NCAA rule applied. It really makes a difference if a coach is a former college coach.

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Between the RFP and the kick, no player can be more than 5 yards from K's restraining line. Appears one player is. That's a live ball illegal formation foul.
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Should have been illegal formation on the guy at the back of the huddle.
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