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Old Thu Jan 09, 2014, 05:13pm
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Absolutely not. He has his entire body between the defender and the QB, & isn't beaten.
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Old Thu Jan 09, 2014, 06:04pm
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This is an example where someone who says "you could call holding on any play". There could have been a hold before this picture but by this point holding isn't possible at the LOS.
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Old Fri Jan 10, 2014, 12:06am
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I think it's holding. I'm launching a lawsuit.
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Old Fri Jan 10, 2014, 12:55am
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The ball is in the receiver's hands. We are WELL past the point of attack.
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Old Fri Jan 10, 2014, 09:11am
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I'm not a FB official, but I know enough to know that the actions aren't holding on this play.

But, what if it had been a running play and at the time of the picture, the running back was at about the 5-yard line and the hash marks -- just behind the FSU lineman. Does this action now qualify as holding? (With the usual caveats that you can't always tell from a still photo)
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Old Fri Jan 10, 2014, 09:21am
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I'm not a FB official, but I know enough to know that the actions aren't holding on this play.

But, what if it had been a running play and at the time of the picture, the running back was at about the 5-yard line and the hash marks -- just behind the FSU lineman. Does this action now qualify as holding? (With the usual caveats that you can't always tell from a still photo)
Not yet, but potentially. The caveat you've quoted is actually way more than one might think. The majority of the things you need to see to judge holding are not in existence in an instant - they require movement. Restriction of movement is impossible to see when there's no movement.

If the defender is trying to move toward the OL at the moment of this photo, this is not holding. If he's trying to move laterally or away from the OL, and the OL lets go before he prevents him from moving laterally or away - it's not holding.

And generally, if the hands are within the frame of the OL, it's not going to be holding in any case.
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Old Fri Jan 10, 2014, 09:37am
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And generally, if the hands are within the frame of the OL, it's not going to be holding in any case.
Are these hands "within the frame of the OL"?
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