Penalty on an unsuccesful try

[verticalStripes]

Fed Rules:
Try for point. A is in scrimmage kick formation with the holder ready to receive the snap. The snap is muffed by A1 the holder. A1 runs to the 11 yardline and is tackled by B1. Before the tackle is completed, B1 commits a 15 yard facemask foul. What choices does A have?

[Reffing Rev.]

The penalty for a foul by B is the basic spot.
The basic spot for a running play is the end of the run.

Retry half the distance from the end of the run, or decline and kickoff from the 40. You are probably wanting half the distance from the 3, sorry, not in Fed unless there is a pass, fumble or kick making it a loose ball play and then previous spot would be the basic spot.

[HLin NC]

I don't think K would consider declining the penalty. Replay the try from the R5 1/2 yard line.

[verticalStripes]

The question is whether A could take the ball at the 3 under the "decline the distance portion" rule, but it sounds like the Fed rules don't support that.

[maven]

Nobody quite has it yet.

A has 3 options:

1. Decline the penalty, try no good, KO from the K-40.

2. Accept the penalty half the distance from the end of the run, re-try from R-5.5

3. Accept the penalty, decline the distance portion, and re-try from the previous spot, R-3. 8-3-6b2



K will take option 3, and I wouldn't bother with asking about the other two.

K has NO option to take the penalty on the succeeding KO because this was not a scoring play (try was no good). 8-3-6

[bisonlj]

Originally Posted by maven

Nobody quite has it yet.

A has 3 options:

1. Decline the penalty, try no good, KO from the K-40.

2. Accept the penalty half the distance from the end of the run, re-try from R-5.5

3. Accept the penalty, decline the distance portion, and re-try from the previous spot, R-3. 8-3-6b2



K will take option 3, and I wouldn't bother with asking about the other two.

K has NO option to take the penalty on the succeeding KO because this was not a scoring play (try was no good). 8-3-6

This was a very subtle rule change (may have been editorial) a couple years ago, and I didn't notice it until earlier this season when someone pointed out a play like this. I think it's a logical change.

[maven]

Originally Posted by verticalStripes

The question is whether A could take the ball at the 3 under the "decline the distance portion" rule, but it sounds like the Fed rules don't support that.

Ordinarily, when A/K declines the distance portion, you'd continue play from where the previous play ended, in this case, the R-11.

But NFHS does have a rule specific to the try that permits K to replay the down from the previous spot, added to handle exactly this kind of case. 8-3-6b2

[whitehat]

Good call Maven