Concussion Rule in Ohio

[asdf]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

The rule says err on the side of caution! If it appears the player has any concussion like symptoms, he is done for the remainder of that day. That is all.

If it appears to those who are empowered.......

Not you

[bigjohn]

You guys are hilarious, the kid laid on the ground for 5 minutes. He clearly was dinged. the nature of the hit should have drawn attention or the fact that he had to be helped off the field and they weren't checking any limbs!

Be real guys. It was clear that he was removed for possible head injury/concussion symptoms and that is all the rule says get him suspended for the day! That message from the DOD clearly says that and the protocol says all adults are responsible for enforcing the rule and not breaking the LAW!!!!

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

You guys are hilarious, the kid laid on the ground for 5 minutes. He clearly was dinged. the nature of the hit should have drawn attention or the fact that he had to be helped off the field and they weren't checking any limbs!

I can tell you have not been coaching very long or at a high level, because players lay on the ground for all kinds or reasons that have nothing to do with a concussion or a head injury of any kind. And when a player is on the ground, I am not often looking for what they are checking in detail. Sometimes we are worried about communication other information to crew members and sometimes talking to coaches about issues they want addressed or had asked about earlier in the contest. A lot of time the player is not even our only concern when they are down on the ground and medical personnel are over the situation.

Originally Posted by bigjohn

Be real guys. It was clear that he was removed for possible head injury/concussion symptoms and that is all the rule says get him suspended for the day! That message from the DOD clearly says that and the protocol says all adults are responsible for enforcing the rule and not breaking the LAW!!!!

And the fact you have never officiated and never had to make these decision shows how ignorant you are to these matters. And players come in and out of games all the time without officials knowing why, even when they are injured. And depending on where a player is injured, that can be more of evidence of how an official would not know why a player is being attended to. No one is saying that the officials could not ever see these things, but it is understandable to those that officiate why it was not seen. And if the only evidence was assumed because of interviews, that shows you a lot of why you have no idea what happens. And that does not include that I am sure TV played a role in when to get back to play and other issues that happen at a State Final that are distractions to working a game normally.

Peace

[bigjohn]

Yeah, I am ignorant! Classic.

"Coach, that young man is showing signs of a concussion, per the new rules, he is done for the day."

Yeah that takes a lot of training!


Why attack me? I am totally aware of what should have happened in this situation.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

Yeah, I am ignorant! Classic.

"Coach, that young man is showing signs of a concussion, per the new rules, he is done for the day."

Yeah that takes a lot of training!


Why attack me? I am totally aware of what should have happened in this situation.

Yes in the truest definition you are ignorant. You have never been an official and you are ranting about what should be done as if you know what this job involves. Yes you are ignorant. And it is not an attack to point that out to you when you keep insisting that what the officials should have done without knowing what they actually saw or did not see. Then you are making judgments based on post game comments that the officials should have seen something because someone said something in the post game wrap up or Tweets from fans.

Yes that is ignorant.

I know I am ignorant to what is or what is not an actual signs of a concussion. I know how to stay in my lane, do you?

Peace

[bigjohn]

Funny thing you would ask that I have taught driver training for 6 years logging thousands of hours in the car with new drivers. I know my lanes!

I also know the rules and have been to many rules meetings and spent countless hours studying them and hundreds of hours in football games and thousands of hours in football practices. So to call me ignorant of the ways officials should call a football rule is really a stupid statement based on your own ignorance of my life and experiences. Get over yourself.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

Funny thing you would ask that I have taught driver training for 6 years logging thousands of hours in the car with new drivers. I know my lanes!

I also know the rules and have been to many rules meetings and spent countless hours studying them and hundreds of hours in football games and thousands of hours in football practices. So to call me ignorant of the ways officials should call a football rule is really a stupid statement based on your own ignorance of my life and experiences. Get over yourself.

And your medical degree is in what?

Peace

[asdf]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

Funny thing you would ask that I have taught driver training for 6 years logging thousands of hours in the car with new drivers. I know my lanes!

I also know the rules and have been to many rules meetings and spent countless hours studying them and hundreds of hours in football games and thousands of hours in football practices. So to call me ignorant of the ways officials should call a football rule is really a stupid statement based on your own ignorance of my life and experiences. Get over yourself.

You don't know the rules....and you don't know how rules are applied, you think everything is black and white....

That makes you ignorant on the rules.

[asdf]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

Be real guys. It was clear that he was removed for possible head injury/concussion symptoms and that is all the rule says get him suspended for the day!

No, they removed him because play was stopped for him, and by rule he had to leave the game.

As for the reason...... You have no idea why. You didnt talk to the medical personnel on the field or on the sidelines.

You are guessing.... Why don't you admit that?

[bigjohn]

Guessing what, that the kid had been rocked and was wobbly? Thousands of people saw that, even the announcers said, hey, they better get out the smelling salts! It was clear to everyone watching that particular play that the player was showing signs of a concussion, surely the 5 guys on the field certified and trained to see such things could see it too! Even if they were guessing, by rule (and State Law!) the kid should have been done for the day!

[asdf]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

Guessing what,

Did you talk to the medical personnel while they evaluated the player?

Yes = lying
No = guessing

[bigjohn]

It doesn't matter what the medical staff thought, once he shows signs of any head injury, the rule says he is done! period, the officials are charged with making that call!!! That is what the new rule says.

[scrounge]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

It doesn't matter what the medical staff thought, once he shows signs of any head injury, the rule says he is done! period, the officials are charged with making that call!!! That is what the new rule says.

IF THEY OBSERVE IT! You keep c&p'ing snippets out of context...NOTHING in this law, policy, training, interpretation, etc., requires or even suggests that officials should actively insert themselves into the actions of coaches and trainers. Indeed that's why THEY are covered as well.

So player is lying on the ground a few minutes....knee injury, wind knocked out, rib injury, potential neck injury, head injury, what? They all look the same if he's just lying there. He has to be helped up....wow, we've really narrowed it down now. The trainers are 20 yds away doing something...you think the officials are going to go running into that huddle and demanding what's up? Idiotic. They help the kid to the bench area...again, could be a hundred things.

Maybe it's time this dead horse gets locked.

[asdf]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

, the officials are charged with making that call!!! That is what the new rule says.

Wrong. It's not solely on the officials.


Also, the rule makes no mention of an ex-coach or fan making the observation.

[scrounge]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

It doesn't matter what the medical staff thought, once he shows signs of any head injury, the rule says he is done! period, the officials are charged with making that call!!! That is what the new rule says.

And once again, you're WRONG. The officials, coaches, AND medical staff are equally charged with enforcing the rule, based on what THEY individually observe. The officials are absolutely not held accountable for what the medical staff observes (and vice versa).