Concussion Rule in Ohio

[bigjohn]

http://ohsaa.org/medicine/Concussion...otocol0111.pdf

there is the protocol, it is clear!

4. What is the role of contest officials in administering the new rule?
 Officials are to review and know the signs and symptoms of concussion and to direct immediate removal of any athlete who
displays these signs or symptoms,

 An official shall not permit the athlete who has been removed under this rule to return to competition without written medical
authorization presented to the head official.
 If a contest official is aware that a student has been permitted to return to competition without written authorization from a
physician or licensed athletic trainer, that official shall immediately stop play and remove that student from competition and report
the incident to the Ohio High School Athletic Association
 Note that officials are not medical professionals and have no authority to determine whether or not student has sustained a
concussion. The official is responsible for directing removal when he or she observes signs and symptoms that may indicate a
student is concussed.

[JRutledge]

I do not care what the protocol is or isn't. The protocol that asks officials to go out of their way to be apart of an observation of a concussion is stupid. Even in my state we are only responsible for what we observe. If we do not observe anything, we are not responsible for taking a player out of the game. And then the law in our state puts the responsibility on the people that can make a decision and that is the medical personnel. They can even send back in a player if a player has been shown to not have a concussion. They do not put this on the officials to do anything but make the medical personnel aware of a possible situation. And the state trusts and puts their liability in the people that have the training to come to that conclusion. There were a lot of times a kid has gone off the field and we had no idea why. That is the way it should be. I do not care what the stupid protocols in your state say if they are not realistic in the first place. And if the only way anyone knows this kid played with a concussion was by what was stated after the game or what was observed on the sidelines, that is the hole in that law clearly.

Peace

[bigjohn]

The rule says err on the side of caution! If it appears the player has any concussion like symptoms, he is done for the remainder of that day. That is all.

[asdf]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

The rule says err on the side of caution! If it appears the player has any concussion like symptoms, he is done for the remainder of that day. That is all.

If it appears to those who are empowered.......

Not you

[bigjohn]

You guys are hilarious, the kid laid on the ground for 5 minutes. He clearly was dinged. the nature of the hit should have drawn attention or the fact that he had to be helped off the field and they weren't checking any limbs!

Be real guys. It was clear that he was removed for possible head injury/concussion symptoms and that is all the rule says get him suspended for the day! That message from the DOD clearly says that and the protocol says all adults are responsible for enforcing the rule and not breaking the LAW!!!!

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

You guys are hilarious, the kid laid on the ground for 5 minutes. He clearly was dinged. the nature of the hit should have drawn attention or the fact that he had to be helped off the field and they weren't checking any limbs!

I can tell you have not been coaching very long or at a high level, because players lay on the ground for all kinds or reasons that have nothing to do with a concussion or a head injury of any kind. And when a player is on the ground, I am not often looking for what they are checking in detail. Sometimes we are worried about communication other information to crew members and sometimes talking to coaches about issues they want addressed or had asked about earlier in the contest. A lot of time the player is not even our only concern when they are down on the ground and medical personnel are over the situation.

Originally Posted by bigjohn

Be real guys. It was clear that he was removed for possible head injury/concussion symptoms and that is all the rule says get him suspended for the day! That message from the DOD clearly says that and the protocol says all adults are responsible for enforcing the rule and not breaking the LAW!!!!

And the fact you have never officiated and never had to make these decision shows how ignorant you are to these matters. And players come in and out of games all the time without officials knowing why, even when they are injured. And depending on where a player is injured, that can be more of evidence of how an official would not know why a player is being attended to. No one is saying that the officials could not ever see these things, but it is understandable to those that officiate why it was not seen. And if the only evidence was assumed because of interviews, that shows you a lot of why you have no idea what happens. And that does not include that I am sure TV played a role in when to get back to play and other issues that happen at a State Final that are distractions to working a game normally.

Peace

[bigjohn]

Yeah, I am ignorant! Classic.

"Coach, that young man is showing signs of a concussion, per the new rules, he is done for the day."

Yeah that takes a lot of training!


Why attack me? I am totally aware of what should have happened in this situation.

[asdf]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

Be real guys. It was clear that he was removed for possible head injury/concussion symptoms and that is all the rule says get him suspended for the day!

No, they removed him because play was stopped for him, and by rule he had to leave the game.

As for the reason...... You have no idea why. You didnt talk to the medical personnel on the field or on the sidelines.

You are guessing.... Why don't you admit that?

[bigjohn]

Guessing what, that the kid had been rocked and was wobbly? Thousands of people saw that, even the announcers said, hey, they better get out the smelling salts! It was clear to everyone watching that particular play that the player was showing signs of a concussion, surely the 5 guys on the field certified and trained to see such things could see it too! Even if they were guessing, by rule (and State Law!) the kid should have been done for the day!

[scrounge]

It is clear, and yet you keep misrepresenting it. *IF* the officials are aware, then they send him off. NO WHERE in that protocol or in the law or in the training or ANYWHERE ELSE does it state that the officials have an active obligation to insert themselves and check on the actions of others such as trainers or coaches. Officials are NOT responsible to ensure that others follow the law, only that if THEY are aware of a situation then they take action. It doesn't say that officials have a reasonable duty to be aware at all times - quite the contrary actually. Only if they personally observe signs or symptoms themselves.

Go find the message board for coaches and trainers in that area - your beef is with them.

[asdf]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

http://ohsaa.org/medicine/Concussion...otocol0111.pdf

there is the protocol, it is clear!

4. What is the role of contest officials in administering the new rule?
 Officials are to review and know the signs and symptoms of concussion and to direct immediate removal of any athlete who
displays these signs or symptoms,

When medical personnel are present.... the official is out of the mix.

 An official shall not permit the athlete who has been removed under this rule to return to competition without written medical
authorization presented to the head official.

This only applies if the Referee notifies the Head Coach that he has observed the signs, symptoms and behaviors. If someone else observes and the Referee's not been notified, he has no duty for obvious reasons...

 If a contest official is aware that a student has been permitted to return to competition without written authorization from a
physician or licensed athletic trainer, that official shall immediately stop play and remove that student from competition and report
the incident to the Ohio High School Athletic Association


See above..... The officials in this game were not notified of the players symptoms, nor did they observe the symptoms...



 Note that officials are not medical professionals and have no authority to determine whether or not student has sustained a
concussion. The official is responsible for directing removal when he or she observes signs and symptoms that may indicate a
student is concussed.

Nowhere does it say fan in the stands, fan on a message board, former coach, fan watching on TV.....

As usual, you are wrong...... the reasons are in red above...

Your observations are just that, yours, and have no relevance to anything that happened on the field...