Concussion Rule in Ohio

[bigjohn]

Highlights of the OHSAA Concussion Policy :: Nationwide Children's Hospital


What is the role of contest officials in administering the rule?

Officials are to review and know the signs and symptoms of concussion and to direct immediate removal of any athlete who displays these signs or symptoms.
An official shall not permit the athlete who has been removed under this rule to return to competition without written medical authorization presented to the head official.
If a contest official is aware that a student has been permitted to return to competition without written authorization from a physician or licensed athletic trainer, that official shall immediately stop play and remove that student from competition and report the incident to the Ohio High School Athletic Association
Note that officials are not medical professionals and have no authority to determine whether or not student has sustained a concussion. The official is responsible for directing removal when he or she observes signs and symptoms that may indicate a student is concussed.

[JRutledge]

BJ,

You can keep quoting organizations that are not officials, that does not change the fact that the Referee is not going to be personally aware of all players and their conditions unless you drastically change the primary coverage areas of the Referee. And then ask the Referee to roaming the field and not watching line play or the QB/passer in order to only recognize plays and hits they are not already watching.

Peace

[bigjohn]

You mean the R can't watch as the trainers come on to the field and help a groggy, wobbly kid get off the field. Why in the hell not?????

[asdf]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

Because the rules and laws and memos from the DOD all seem to say that the officials ARE responsible for not letting a kid return to play that day, if anyone removed him, for what appear to be head injury, concussion like symptoms. It was clear when watching the game live on TV, never said I was in the stands, that the kid was dinged. Meaning he was a bit groggy. He came back in a threw a TD and played and appeared to be OK. The point is, he WAS removed for concussion symptoms and the rule and state law say he should be done for the day. He was not.

Who is at fault?

Keep trying John....

A player is on the bench, complains that his head hurts, is evaluated by a MD who tells the HC said player is done due to the concussion protocol.

Nobody tells the officials.......

Said player "feels better" and enters the field after a change of possession (after he talked to an assistant) and participates in the next series......

How is the official responsible if he's not notified?

And again......how do you know what the trainer /doctor observed when he/she was on the filed attending to the player?

You don't know...... stop guessing !!

[asdf]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

You mean the R can't watch as the trainers come on to the field and help a groggy, wobbly kid get off the field. Why in the hell not?????

Because they diagnose.

We do not.....

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

You mean the R can't watch as the trainers come on to the field and help a groggy, wobbly kid get off the field. Why in the hell not?????

Have the time I have no idea who the trainers are. Not all schools have them and not all introduce themselves to the officials. And at least here it is not required for trainers to talk to officials before or during games.

Peace

[bigjohn]

The QB couldn't even make it to the post game interview but he's OK.

Mentor's Conner Krizancic, Moeller's Gus Ragland shine in Division I state football championship game - cleveland.com

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

The QB couldn't even make it to the post game interview but he's OK.

Mentor's Conner Krizancic, Moeller's Gus Ragland shine in Division I state football championship game - cleveland.com

He's a high school quarterback. Does Ohio have a requirement that teenagers talk to the press?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by asdf

Because they diagnose.

We do not.....

Exactly, and I'm not interjecting myself into a place where my opinion is neither helpful nor educated. If I see an accident on the side of the road, I'll stop and help: unless the police are already on the scene.

[scrounge]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

You mean the R can't watch as the trainers come on to the field and help a groggy, wobbly kid get off the field. Why in the hell not?????

This is getting ridiculous...do you seriously think an R from 20 yds away is going to run over to the huddle of trainers and demand to know why exactly the kid is going off the field? Because if he doesn't do that, there's very little chance the R would know he's "groggy, wobbly". The player is under the care of trainers and coaches at that point, there's absolutely no need to get involved. And how do you determine "groggy, wobbly" from a distance when they're almost assuredly walking to the sidelines away from you with their backs to you? There are probably 30 injuries that could make a person wobbly. How do you see "groggy" from 20 yds away, a kid walking away from you, probably with helmet still on, surrounded by trainers? I think you've made the premise that he was groggy and argued the point from there, begging the question.

I don't know why you've latched on to this so strongly, but it's far from the 'officials as concussion police' you're making it out to be. It's much simpler - if you observe these things, send the kid to a Dr. If you don't observe them - don't. In doing about 50 games as well as numerous baseball games, along with talking with colleagues, this simply has not been an issue.

[bigjohn]

I am not the only one that saw this!

Controversy breaks out over concussion rule, on field officials fail to act to protect player. - JJHuddle.com

Here is a TWEET from the QB's Brother!

[JRutledge]

It does not matter what others saw from the TV or from the stands. What matters is that the officials who have other responsiblities are not taking over in situations where trainiers and medical personnel are present. Officials have many other responsiblities than what happens with one kid. And certain not going to go over and ask medical people why someone is taken out. I have never done such a thing in all my years and would not start even with a law.

And it is actually telling that you cannot answer anyone directly as to why an official would start doing something they have never done before.

Peace

[bigjohn]

http://ohsaa.org/medicine/Concussion...otocol0111.pdf

there is the protocol, it is clear!

4. What is the role of contest officials in administering the new rule?
 Officials are to review and know the signs and symptoms of concussion and to direct immediate removal of any athlete who
displays these signs or symptoms,

 An official shall not permit the athlete who has been removed under this rule to return to competition without written medical
authorization presented to the head official.
 If a contest official is aware that a student has been permitted to return to competition without written authorization from a
physician or licensed athletic trainer, that official shall immediately stop play and remove that student from competition and report
the incident to the Ohio High School Athletic Association
 Note that officials are not medical professionals and have no authority to determine whether or not student has sustained a
concussion. The official is responsible for directing removal when he or she observes signs and symptoms that may indicate a
student is concussed.

[JRutledge]

I do not care what the protocol is or isn't. The protocol that asks officials to go out of their way to be apart of an observation of a concussion is stupid. Even in my state we are only responsible for what we observe. If we do not observe anything, we are not responsible for taking a player out of the game. And then the law in our state puts the responsibility on the people that can make a decision and that is the medical personnel. They can even send back in a player if a player has been shown to not have a concussion. They do not put this on the officials to do anything but make the medical personnel aware of a possible situation. And the state trusts and puts their liability in the people that have the training to come to that conclusion. There were a lot of times a kid has gone off the field and we had no idea why. That is the way it should be. I do not care what the stupid protocols in your state say if they are not realistic in the first place. And if the only way anyone knows this kid played with a concussion was by what was stated after the game or what was observed on the sidelines, that is the hole in that law clearly.

Peace

[bigjohn]

The rule says err on the side of caution! If it appears the player has any concussion like symptoms, he is done for the remainder of that day. That is all.