Illegal substitution to ice the kicker

[Scooby]

Would we be having this discussion if Duke would have missed the first field goal and made the second? Cincinnati gave Duke an opportunity to try the field goal 5 yards closer. Duke missed.

And if you believe that the rule should be changed in this situation do you believe that if a defender is beat by a wideout and tackles him while the ball is in the air, saving a touchdown, should there be a greater penalty? the defense is benefiting from a foul. In high school it is only a 15 yard penalty and a 1st down.

[maven]

As I think more about this issue, it's not clear to me that the advantage gained is unfair. When a team takes a time out to ice a kicker, it costs them something (the time out). In this case, they fouled, which also cost them something, namely yardage. Why is that less fair than taking the time out?

As for fixing the rules: one at a time. Rome wasn't built in a day.

[HLin NC]

I guess its perceived to be unfair because on the subsequent attempt, K missed. However, as you correctly stated, K gained yardage on the penalty. They could have opted to attempt an offensive play, (not likely on this specific play), scoring a TD instead. Would people wonder if the penalty is unfair to R because otherwise they only gave up 3 points in that instance?

Some folks here occasionally point out what they think of as flaws or inequities in the rules. Much like loss of down is accurately the loss of the right to repeat the down, the offended team has the right to repeat the down. It is still their responsibility to complete their play successfully. Otherwise the rule code would just authorize just handing them points, which I guess the thermonuclear option would allow. I just doubt that crew would ever be working CFB again afterward if the did.

[Rich]

The first kick never happened, since the kicker kicked a dead ball.

[Tom.OH]

Originally Posted by Scooby

Would we be having this discussion if Duke would have missed the first field goal and made the second? Cincinnati gave Duke an opportunity to try the field goal 5 yards closer. Duke missed.

And if you believe that the rule should be changed in this situation do you believe that if a defender is beat by a wideout and tackles him while the ball is in the air, saving a touchdown, should there be a greater penalty? the defense is benefiting from a foul. In high school it is only a 15 yard penalty and a 1st down.

Unless you call intentional DPI and make it a "30" yard penalty.

[JasonLJ]

One could also argue that the kicker gains an advantage by kicking it... He can see the flight of the ball and perhaps adjust for wind, footing, etc.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Tom.OH

Unless you call intentional DPI and make it a "30" yard penalty.

Which has never been called in the history of forever.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Which has never been called in the history of forever.

I do not think I have ever seen a situation where I think that would be warranted in any way.

Peace

[jchamp]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not think I have ever seen a situation where I think that would be warranted in any way.

Peace

It sounds like the rule does it's job... that coaches know that an additional 15 yards can be tacked on and tell their secondaries "just don't grab him and tackle him."

By the same manner, I've never arrived on a field that's been marked using lime, but it's still in the rulesbook.

Of course, this fall I ran full-speed into the back of an assistant coach who was standing on the sideline while I trailed a play, so the rules don't always get well communicated and we get yellow on the field... sometimes the flag literally drops itself.

[CT1]

Originally Posted by Scooby

Would we be having this discussion if Duke would have missed the first field goal and made the second?

Of course not. It's just something else for the common-taters to get their BVDs in a knot about.

How many teams would even *think* about taking a penalty to ice the kicker on a 50+yd FG attempt? The odds for success are not great in the first place.