Rules question

[Texas Aggie]

Only if the foul is committed once the chains are set is a 1-25 scenario possible now.

Under NCAA rules, its once the ready for play has been blown.

[Fan10]

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

Under NCAA rules, its once the ready for play has been blown.

Which no longer happens unless there is a stoppage for some reason due to the 40 second play clock

[HLin NC]

Which no longer happens unless there is a stoppage for some reason due to the 40 second play clock

I don't think there would be a 40 second clock after a penalty enforcement, it would be 25 and an RFP.

[bisonlj]

Originally Posted by HLin NC

I don't think there would be a 40 second clock after a penalty enforcement, it would be 25 and an RFP.

Correct but here he was referring to the foul happening after the RFP. The post was stating there isn't a ready for play whistle or signal after the previous play unless there was an official's time out for something.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Fan10

Which no longer happens unless there is a stoppage for some reason due to the 40 second play clock

Incorrect. The referee blows the RFP before every single play.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Incorrect. The referee blows the RFP before every single play.

Especially after a first down when he needs to signal the game clock to restart.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Especially after a first down when he needs to signal the game clock to restart.

Even then, it's not "technically" a RFP. Ball's spotted, game clock's started, but the 40 second clock is running the entire time. Not what I'd traditionally think of as a RFP.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Rich

Even then, it's not "technically" a RFP. Ball's spotted, game clock's started, but the 40 second clock is running the entire time. Not what I'd traditionally think of as a RFP.

While I agree, most of those give the "downward chop" RFP, followed immediately by the "wind the clock" signal.

[PSU213]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

While I agree, most of those give the "downward chop" RFP, followed immediately by the "wind the clock" signal.

Not trying to start a fight over it, but I have gone to many Big 10 games over the last few years, and their Rs basically never 'chop' before winding the clock in those circumstances. Just my observation.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

While I agree, most of those give the "downward chop" RFP, followed immediately by the "wind the clock" signal.

I'm not a referee at the college level (with the exception of an occasional undercard game), but I can say that I've not seen my referee give the chop nor do I at the HS level (the wind is also the RFP -- I have never seen the point in doing both).

At higher levels, I've noticed the R's don't even blow a whistle when starting the clock if there's a 40 second clock already running.

[HLin NC]

Correct but here he was referring to the foul happening after the RFP. The post was stating there isn't a ready for play whistle or signal after the previous play unless there was an official's time out for something.

I disagree bison, I see no mention of the RFP being blown in the OP and both plays described read like pretty standard DBF's to me.

[Steven Tyler]

I have a related question. In a high school game, how do the officials know how to set the clock back to the proper time. I was at a playoff game, and opening play of the fourth quarter the offense commits an illegal procedure penatly. Four seconds ran off the clock, and the clock wasn't reset back to twelve minutes. Was this just an official error?

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by Rich

Even then, it's not "technically" a RFP. Ball's spotted, game clock's started, but the 40 second clock is running the entire time. Not what I'd traditionally think of as a RFP.

That's funny, I thought it just meant "ready for play". Traditionally. As in ready. For. Play. The ball's either ready for play or it's not.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Incorrect. The referee blows the RFP before every single play.

This is not true under NCAA rules. If the clock is set to 40 and runs automatically, there is no RFP blown.

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by Rich

This is not true under NCAA rules. If the clock is set to 40 and runs automatically, there is no RFP blown.

So if team A sees the ball on the ground with no official over it, they can go snap it?