"Traveling" Signal at snap

[bigjohn]

They don't?????

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

They don't?????

Starting to wonder if you even watch football. Thanks for quoting the same rule 3 times now. NO ONE requires WR's arms, head, hands to be completely still. By interpretation, not in "motion" is not the same as "motionless". No one is going to flag a receiver who turns his head to look at the official to make sure he's where he's supposed to be. No one is going to flag a QB for standing upright, signaling to someone, getting right back under center and snapping the ball.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Starting to wonder if you even watch football. Thanks for quoting the same rule 3 times now. NO ONE requires WR's arms, head, hands to be completely still. By interpretation, not in "motion" is not the same as "motionless". No one is going to flag a receiver who turns his head to look at the official to make sure he's where he's supposed to be. No one is going to flag a QB for standing upright, signaling to someone, getting right back under center and snapping the ball.

Seems to me if one considers this a shift, one would need to consider it a shift when the QB turns his head (without even standing upright) to yell signals.

[CT1]

BigJohn:

The phrase "remain stationary...for at least one second before the snap" does NOT mean that further motion after the stop is prohibited -- in fact, it's quite common to have a player go in motion after the stop.

[bkdow]

Why are we still talking about this? No one is going to change his mind. He'll call it and the rest of us will not.

[bigjohn]

Ohio State Rules Interpreter Bruce Mauer says.



Check Page 58, Rule 7-2-6: says "without movement of hands". I would probably warn them the first time, then penalize them afterwards, unless they simulated the snap or drew B to encroach. I do not know if I have ever seen that type of mvt with receivers before. The key is they can do it initially, but must remain "without movement" for 1 sec before the snap.

Bruce

then after I pointed out that all had been stationary for 1 second he replied this:

Legal play as long as they all set for 1 second without mvt prior to the snap.

Bruce

So there is the answer in Ohio.

[maven]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

Legal play as long as they all set for 1 second without mvt prior to the snap.

Bruce

So there is the answer in Ohio.

And everywhere else. As everyone but you has been saying.

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

Ohio State Rules Interpreter Bruce Mauer says.



Check Page 58, Rule 7-2-6: says "without movement of hands". I would probably warn them the first time, then penalize them afterwards, unless they simulated the snap or drew B to encroach. I do not know if I have ever seen that type of mvt with receivers before. The key is they can do it initially, but must remain "without movement" for 1 sec before the snap.

Bruce

then after I pointed out that all had been stationary for 1 second he replied this:

Legal play as long as they all set for 1 second without mvt prior to the snap.

Bruce

So there is the answer in Ohio.

Which is exactly what everyone but you has been saying.

When you read the rule, you insert "immediately" into the phrase "prior to the snap." The rule is not remain stationary for at least one second immediately prior to the snap.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bkdow

Why are we still talking about this? No one is going to change his mind. He'll call it and the rest of us will not.

I agree, but what is the harm talking about this? People have differing opinions and will on this like other issues.

Sometimes it is good to talk these things out so when you are faced with these situations or you make this call, what the potential reaction will be. If officials think this is silly to call, what do you think a coach is going to say?

And for the record I disagree big time with our head clinician on this and he would have to tell us we should have called this to buy his position on this topic.

Peace

[Welpe]

I'm fine with this discussion continuing but please let's ensure we maintain our decorum.