How would you handle...?

[CT1]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

There is a reason he and you are working Sub Varsity games.

What does that mean?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by CT1

What does that mean?

The WH is working sub varsity because of his actions.

The OP is working sub varsity for some reason -- possiblly inexperience. So, just learn from the experience, pass the other guy up, and the OP won't have to work with him anymore.

[MD Longhorn]

It's just me, but I'd be making sure the SV assignor knew of this guy's actions. Maybe he's been doing this but everyone's afraid to tell the assignor due to his "experience" - as an assignor, I'd want to know. The fact that he's still out there tells me assignor doesn't know. No one is going to learn crap from this guy.

[Ia-Ref]

Sub-varsity? Please don't look down on the officials who do this valuable work.
This is where the inexperience and experienced officials meet to provide a needed service to players that will some day be the varsity players.
I hope that experienced officials will help the inexperienced work toward being a first-class official through sharing of their practices, knowledge and experiences.
I was once one of the inexperienced who appreciated the guidence of a good teacher. After a while, I was able to sort through the crap of the good and bad teachers.

To answer the original question, I would chalk this experience up and let it serve as a remider of what you do not want to be when you are the WH in the same position.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Ia-Ref

To answer the original question, I would chalk this experience up and let it serve as a remider of what you do not want to be when you are the WH in the same position.

Honestly, I kind of feel badly that so many of you want to chalk this up to a bad experience and move on ... leaving the rest of the officials that work with this nimrod to have similar experiences.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Honestly, I kind of feel badly that so many of you want to chalk this up to a bad experience and move on ... leaving the rest of the officials that work with this nimrod to have similar experiences.

It's hard to change people. Where I live, officials are hired directly by the schools for sub-varsity games. There is no assignor, no hiring association.

The only way to insulate yourself from guys like this HERE is to form a crew and take all assignments as crews. I do that and then hand-pick the people I want to work with -- mostly the guys on our regular Friday night crew and newer guys who want to learn and get better. I have no time for people like the WH in the OP. Far as I am concerned, he can go and ruin someone else's afternoon.

[Welpe]

I'd talk to the assigner. It may get something done, it may not but I'd think he'd want to be aware this is going on.

It would take all I had not to pull some smart arsed stunt like standing back there right beside the R or something similar. That is a terrible way for the R to call a game.

[bigjohn]

Personally, I am very thankful for guys that are willing to work those sub varsity game. It is easier to forgive a guy that just plain wants to be out there to help the kids than some of the egomaniacs you see on Friday night. Most officials are doing it for all the right reasons and I tend to defend them but some guys want to be the SHOW.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

It's hard to change people. Where I live, officials are hired directly by the schools for sub-varsity games. There is no assignor, no hiring association.

All we deal with are assignors in this part of the state. So if are working a game, the crew is set up to have someone with some experience on it, but realistically the game needs to be covered with whomever is available. It would be unusual to have a 2, 3 or 4 Person crew to have all experience guys on them or guys that will not behave the way this guy did as the WH. I worked on a JV game one Monday where the entire crew had worked a State Final. That almost never happens because the assignors want younger guys to work these games in some capacity. Then again that situation I mentioned was some last minute changes, so the assignor had to cover the game with who was available. We all happened to be available so we worked that game in particular.

Peace

[Welpe]

Subvarsity is very different here, you will see most officials on crews also working on Monday - Thursday nights. Judging by the OPs location, I'm guessing it is somewhat similar.

[Texas Aggie]

What would I do? Stop the game, go to him and tell him to knock that crap off or I would have him removed from the field. Now, I have the balls and the status in my chapter to do that. If I was a newer official, I would still go to him and tell him that this is a crew effort, that he can't unilaterally waive off calls or ignore what we do and if he continues, I will make his life hell with complaints. I would also consider getting the coaches involved (as witnesses to waive offs, etc.) if necessary.

[Texas Aggie]

There is a reason he and you are working Sub Varsity games.

I'm not sure what you mean by this. We have minimum subvarsity requirements that all officials have to comply with or they won't get a playoff game. All officials should work as much subvarsity as possible for a lot of reasons -- coverage, helping new guys, keep idiocy like stuff from the OP happening, etc.

If you have the attitude of "I've arrived and I don't do SV," in my opinion, you're of no use to football or any officiating at any level. I don't work as much as I did when I first started football (or anywhere near what I did in starting basketball -- close to 100 games) but I still work my share. Around 30 football games last year.

[jTheUmp]

People do sub-varsity games for all kinds of reasons, including (but certainly not limited to):

1) they lack of experience officiating football.
2) they lack of ability to work varsity contests.
3) to help officials in categories 1 and 2 become better officials.
4) to help "give something back to the game"
5) to have a reason to leave their 'real job' an hour or two early on a beautiful afternoon.
6) to get some extra exercise
7) to make a few extra bucks
8) to work on their mechanics.
9) because they enjoy getting screamed at by Jr High Moms don't have a clue about the rules and who all think their kid is going to be the next Adrian Peterson or Tom Brady.

I'm in the midst of a 15-games-in-18-days stretch of football season, and I've worked anywhere from 6th grade to High School Varsity to NCAA JV during that time. Personally, I work non-varsity games for all of the reasons listed above (well, except the first two). I had some great varsity officials help me through my first season working non-varsity games, and now I'm at the point in my career where I want to return the favor to the next group of up-and-comers.

To get this back on jk97301's topic... I always say there's something to learn from every game. Here's two things I would try to learn from this game:
1) Don't ever be that guy when you move up the ladder.
2) How could you have talked to the WH about any of this, during the game, without it seeming confrontational? "What did you see when you called that pass incomplete?" "Why did we (say "we", it's less confrontational, and, after all, you live and die as a crew) wave off the flag? The coach is asking about it. (even if he isn't)" Stuff like that.

[jk97301]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

The WH is working sub varsity because of his actions.

The OP is working sub varsity for some reason -- possiblly inexperience. So, just learn from the experience, pass the other guy up, and the OP won't have to work with him anymore.

Actually I also work Varsity. Here even College guys work sub Varsity games. There are 90 officials serving 45 schools and 3 youth leagues. So we work whatever our assigner wants us to work.