How would you handle...?

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Ia-Ref

To answer the original question, I would chalk this experience up and let it serve as a remider of what you do not want to be when you are the WH in the same position.

Honestly, I kind of feel badly that so many of you want to chalk this up to a bad experience and move on ... leaving the rest of the officials that work with this nimrod to have similar experiences.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Honestly, I kind of feel badly that so many of you want to chalk this up to a bad experience and move on ... leaving the rest of the officials that work with this nimrod to have similar experiences.

It's hard to change people. Where I live, officials are hired directly by the schools for sub-varsity games. There is no assignor, no hiring association.

The only way to insulate yourself from guys like this HERE is to form a crew and take all assignments as crews. I do that and then hand-pick the people I want to work with -- mostly the guys on our regular Friday night crew and newer guys who want to learn and get better. I have no time for people like the WH in the OP. Far as I am concerned, he can go and ruin someone else's afternoon.

[Welpe]

I'd talk to the assigner. It may get something done, it may not but I'd think he'd want to be aware this is going on.

It would take all I had not to pull some smart arsed stunt like standing back there right beside the R or something similar. That is a terrible way for the R to call a game.

[bigjohn]

Personally, I am very thankful for guys that are willing to work those sub varsity game. It is easier to forgive a guy that just plain wants to be out there to help the kids than some of the egomaniacs you see on Friday night. Most officials are doing it for all the right reasons and I tend to defend them but some guys want to be the SHOW.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

It's hard to change people. Where I live, officials are hired directly by the schools for sub-varsity games. There is no assignor, no hiring association.

All we deal with are assignors in this part of the state. So if are working a game, the crew is set up to have someone with some experience on it, but realistically the game needs to be covered with whomever is available. It would be unusual to have a 2, 3 or 4 Person crew to have all experience guys on them or guys that will not behave the way this guy did as the WH. I worked on a JV game one Monday where the entire crew had worked a State Final. That almost never happens because the assignors want younger guys to work these games in some capacity. Then again that situation I mentioned was some last minute changes, so the assignor had to cover the game with who was available. We all happened to be available so we worked that game in particular.

Peace

[Welpe]

Subvarsity is very different here, you will see most officials on crews also working on Monday - Thursday nights. Judging by the OPs location, I'm guessing it is somewhat similar.

[Texas Aggie]

What would I do? Stop the game, go to him and tell him to knock that crap off or I would have him removed from the field. Now, I have the balls and the status in my chapter to do that. If I was a newer official, I would still go to him and tell him that this is a crew effort, that he can't unilaterally waive off calls or ignore what we do and if he continues, I will make his life hell with complaints. I would also consider getting the coaches involved (as witnesses to waive offs, etc.) if necessary.

[Texas Aggie]

There is a reason he and you are working Sub Varsity games.

I'm not sure what you mean by this. We have minimum subvarsity requirements that all officials have to comply with or they won't get a playoff game. All officials should work as much subvarsity as possible for a lot of reasons -- coverage, helping new guys, keep idiocy like stuff from the OP happening, etc.

If you have the attitude of "I've arrived and I don't do SV," in my opinion, you're of no use to football or any officiating at any level. I don't work as much as I did when I first started football (or anywhere near what I did in starting basketball -- close to 100 games) but I still work my share. Around 30 football games last year.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

I'm not sure what you mean by this. We have minimum subvarsity requirements that all officials have to comply with or they won't get a playoff game. All officials should work as much subvarsity as possible for a lot of reasons -- coverage, helping new guys, keep idiocy like stuff from the OP happening, etc.

We don't and many do not. Usually most officials that are working that level are there because they are either not considered experienced enough to work other levels or they have to work them to get experience.

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

If you have the attitude of "I've arrived and I don't do SV," in my opinion, you're of no use to football or any officiating at any level. I don't work as much as I did when I first started football (or anywhere near what I did in starting basketball -- close to 100 games) but I still work my share. Around 30 football games last year.

Whether I or others have arrived that is up for someone else to decide. But I have other things and have other responsibility and get to work when I want to, which means mostly weekend games. I also work college football, basketball and work baseball in the spring and I have cut back in the spring. I have many responsibilities in officiating outside of just the games I work. Also there are many organizations I sit on a board or I am a clinician in basketball as well. I am glad that many of you want to work that much football in a year. But officiating is a hobby and it comes with choices. And considering the time I have spent away from my house to do other things and just this weekend I worked a HS varsity game on Friday, College game (went to a college game to watch that evening with a family member) on Saturday and traveled to work a JUCO Jamboree this Sunday (several hours from my house), I think I am good doing what I do and it works for me. Just like there are people around here that have family obligations that they cannot work football at all during the season, we have choices here; sorry you do not have that kind of choice. We do not have to work what we do not want to work and do not have to work when we do not want to. That can come with consequences, but when you have done the things I have done, you do not get asked to work a lot of lower level game and that is fine with me. This season was the first season where we did not work that many lower level/prelim games (double headers) on Friday nights and that was fine with me as well. I would rather watch younger guys work those and help them get better. So what it means is I am blessed and do not have to work 30 games if I choose not to. And I do not have to put up with the crap this guy was dealing with. Then again most guys would not do that to me, because I would sell them out in a second for their behavior and the assignor would take action.

Peace

[CT1]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Usually most officials that are working that level are there because they are either not considered experienced enough to work other levels or they have to work them to get experience.

That may be true in your little corner of officiatingdom. But I think you've read enough posts to realize that MOST officials who work sub-varsity do it because they CHOOSE to, not because it's the only games they can get.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by CT1

That may be true in your little corner of officiatingdom. But I think you've read enough posts to realize that MOST officials who work sub-varsity do it because they CHOOSE to, not because it's the only games they can get.

I'm willing to bet he won't admit that.

[GBFBUmp]

Originally Posted by CT1

That may be true in your little corner of officiatingdom. But I think you've read enough posts to realize that MOST officials who work sub-varsity do it because they CHOOSE to, not because it's the only games they can get.

CT1 you are correct. In our area there's a huge need for officials at all levels. By no means are the officials at the lower level for any other reason than there's a game scheduled. There have been sub-varsity games I've done where there are 4 Master level officials on the field, some with State Championship Game experience.

For the OP... it is hard, however you must find a way to communicate with the WH. It may not be pleasant, but if he's not supporting any of your calls, what harm will be done by discussing the situation with him between periods. Be professional, keep your cool, and ask (as others have stated) what he saw in your area that would make him overrule your call/non-call....

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by CT1

That may be true in your little corner of officiatingdom. But I think you've read enough posts to realize that MOST officials who work sub-varsity do it because they CHOOSE to, not because it's the only games they can get.

I have realize that totally, but as I said before, "There is a reason you are working that level." Most of those that I come in contact with that are veterans are not doing it out of the pure kindness of their heart and might be the contributing factor as to why this guy picked up every flag and dismissed every actions of a younger officials. And many that I know also do it for the money and no other reason, like Pee Wee football.

You cannot have it both ways.

Peace