Ball on the 1 or touchback????

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by asdf

...and of course, when K2 comes sliding in to down the ball, you are going to rule possession immediately because the ball is close to his body......

No, only because it's on his body, sandwiched with the ground.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

No, only because it's on his body, sandwiched with the ground.

So ... you've reversed your opinion from the other thread?

[tomes1978]

I disagree, I say it's a touchback. The kick does not end unless it is possessed or dead by rule. The ball does not become dead until it is at rest and nobody is pursuing the ball. I explained to a kid a couple weeks back in a Junior High game who was on the kicking team. The ball stopped and he ran up and touched it and ran away from it. I explained to him that his touching did not kill that play. If R wanted to they could have ran up and picked that ball up with nothing to loose, as R could always take the spot of first touching.

[MNBlue]

Originally Posted by tomes1978

I disagree, I say it's a touchback. The kick does not end unless it is possessed or dead by rule. The ball does not become dead until it is at rest and nobody is pursuing the ball. I explained to a kid a couple weeks back in a Junior High game who was on the kicking team. The ball stopped and he ran up and touched it and ran away from it. I explained to him that his touching did not kill that play. If R wanted to they could have ran up and picked that ball up with nothing to loose, as R could always take the spot of first touching.

If you are disagreeing with the ball being dead when K touches a motionless ball that has not been touched by R, then you would be wrong.

InsideTheStripe has already quoted the rule that would make your ruling incorrect.

In your situation, if the ball had been MOVING and K merely touched it, then what you explained to him would be right. As it is, you misinformed a young football player and should seek him out to correct your mistake.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by tomes1978

I disagree, I say it's a touchback. The kick does not end unless it is possessed or dead by rule. The ball does not become dead until it is at rest and nobody is pursuing the ball. I explained to a kid a couple weeks back in a Junior High game who was on the kicking team. The ball stopped and he ran up and touched it and ran away from it. I explained to him that his touching did not kill that play. If R wanted to they could have ran up and picked that ball up with nothing to loose, as R could always take the spot of first touching.

That is correct for NCAA but not for Fed. If K touches a scrimmage kick at rest beyond the neutral zone, the ball is dead.

[InsideTheStripe]

Originally Posted by tomes1978

I disagree, I say it's a touchback. The kick does not end unless it is possessed or dead by rule. The ball does not become dead until it is at rest and nobody is pursuing the ball. I explained to a kid a couple weeks back in a Junior High game who was on the kicking team. The ball stopped and he ran up and touched it and ran away from it. I explained to him that his touching did not kill that play. If R wanted to they could have ran up and picked that ball up with nothing to loose, as R could always take the spot of first touching.

Assuming Indiana kids play under NFHS rules, you're not only wrong as it pertains to the dead ball situation, but wrong when it comes to first touching as well. R can't ALWAYS take the ball at the spot of first touching.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by tomes1978

I disagree, I say it's a touchback. The kick does not end unless it is possessed or dead by rule. The ball does not become dead until it is at rest and nobody is pursuing the ball. I explained to a kid a couple weeks back in a Junior High game who was on the kicking team. The ball stopped and he ran up and touched it and ran away from it. I explained to him that his touching did not kill that play. If R wanted to they could have ran up and picked that ball up with nothing to loose, as R could always take the spot of first touching.

Disagree all you like, but please take a look at that rule again. You're right if R gets the ball. But not if K does - and specifically your interp is incorrect WRT the OP AND the play you just had in your JH game.

[tomes1978]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Disagree all you like, but please take a look at that rule again. You're right if R gets the ball. But not if K does - and specifically your interp is incorrect WRT the OP AND the play you just had in your JH game.

I stand corrrected, I see it now. Thanks!!

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

So ... you've reversed your opinion from the other thread?

No, that's what I wrote in the other thread.