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Ball on the 1 or touchback????
Play last week.
K Punt from the 50. Ball bounces down to the 1, R is not near the ball to return it. The ball becomes at Rest for 1 1/2 seconds. K2 comes sliding in to down the ball but but his mometum carries it into the endzone. We then have the whistle of the play being dead. I have heard 2 different rulings. 1. Ball at the 1 because the ball was at Rest so that means the play is dead right there. 2. Touchback as there was a force to bring it into the endzone. Thoughts? |
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4-2-2 The ball becomes dead and the down is ended: (f) When the kickers catch or recover any free kick anywhere, and when the kickers catch or recover a scrimmage kick beyond the neutral zone and when the kickers are first (i.e., before any touching by the receivers) to touch a scrimmage kick after it has come to rest beyond the neutral zone and between the goal lines. The ball was dead at the 1 as soon as he touched the ball at rest. First and 10 for R from the 1 yard line. Last edited by InsideTheStripe; Thu Sep 29, 2011 at 03:13pm. Reason: formatting |
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Probably not an important distinction until you have that Mud Bowl game where R is actually still heading toward a bounding punt that goes PLUNK and sticks "at rest". R, if they are still trying to, can still pick up this ball.
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However, if the ball is moving the least little bit, then your question is live again. The ruling should be: 1. First touching by K at the 1, and then 2. K muffs the kick into the endzone, which results in a touchback. R would have the choice between taking the ball at the spot of first touching and taking the result of the play. I wouldn't bother offering them this choice: just spot the ball at the 20 and play on, 1st and 10.
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Never mind that it squirts out and into the EZ. |
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No, only because it's on his body, sandwiched with the ground.
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So ... you've reversed your opinion from the other thread?
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I disagree, I say it's a touchback. The kick does not end unless it is possessed or dead by rule. The ball does not become dead until it is at rest and nobody is pursuing the ball. I explained to a kid a couple weeks back in a Junior High game who was on the kicking team. The ball stopped and he ran up and touched it and ran away from it. I explained to him that his touching did not kill that play. If R wanted to they could have ran up and picked that ball up with nothing to loose, as R could always take the spot of first touching.
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InsideTheStripe has already quoted the rule that would make your ruling incorrect. In your situation, if the ball had been MOVING and K merely touched it, then what you explained to him would be right. As it is, you misinformed a young football player and should seek him out to correct your mistake.
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I stand corrrected, I see it now. Thanks!!
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