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So you're saying continuing action after the ball is dead is just part of the game. I don't see why you think bending the rules that way is better than bending them my way.
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When it doubt, it is a fumble. So, if I'm not positive that someone has it, I won't signal until I dig the pile. Yes, keep fighting for the ball if you can but don't pile on. If we have a 6-man scum, I pick them off one at a time. If I reach in and feel/see that you don't have it, I say, " you're out #25." I keep going until I know. I've never thrown a flag for two guys on bottom of the pile still going for it. But when I say you are off, then you are off. If you don't clear off, that is where the USC comes in. I'm a coach and a referee. So, I got two dogs in this fight and I want them both to win.
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There are really no options. If it was an IW during a loose ball, the down has to be replayed. Should an IW happen while the ball is in player possession, then a team would have options.
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Simple: that when the front of a player's frame falls on the ball away from anybody else, you call it dead and in his possession at that point. It'll give you a clearer ruling and require less distortion of the game than what you'd get in almost all cases of requiring something more. Once in a great while the ball will squirt far out and result in uncontested possession somewhere else, but usually you'll just wind up playing another game with rules like that of oncelost77, or anything else that isn't strictly football.
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What about receiver downfield blocking? The whistle blows but he stays on his block another second, do I flag him for playing after the whistle? What about coaches trying to influence a call or questioning our calls? Does that warrant a flag everytime? The rule book calls for it. How is not going for the ball under a pile, not strictly football? What sport do you play? Watch Friday night, Saturday or Sunday football and you will see what I am talking about. So, I guess you are advocating that if we see someone close to or kinda has it secured, to shut it down and give it to him. If a player is on a ball and I don't see it moving, regardless of location of opposing players, I blow it dead and give it to him. I referenced a pile up, didn't I? In my case, I don't see clear possession but there is a RB that fumbled it on the bottom. Do I say, well he was the closest to it when the pile up happened, offense's ball? This forum, not just this thread, has some of the most stubborn, catty people I have ever seen. We can disagree without pointing fingers or making statements that we can't back up. Dead horse officially beaten, let's move on and discuss politics! It is safer. This forum strikes me as a site that caters to those that want to argue, not debate, but argue.
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Tell you what. Take your kids out every day this week and have them flop directly on the football with the front of their frame. Try it with the ball at rest, then try it with the ball bounding about. Shoot, you can even have the kids standing directly over the ball at rest while they flop down on it. Then, get back to us on how many times the ball stayed beneath them. Also include the tally of the number of broken ribs your guys suffered by teaching this ball recovery method. |
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