What's the proper administration?

[bcooley66]

Friday night I was working a game when my partner and I had a situation arise. We didn't administer it right by the book, but we still got through it and satisfied both coaches. I know now after getting home and reading the book on how to properly administer this if it happens again. Here's the scenario:

Team A has the ball and is dribbling up the floor, while being pressed by Team B. Player from Team A sets an illegal screen, and is called for the foul. Same player from Team A, then in turn is hit for a Technical foul due to his language directed towards referee. Team B player secures the ball and is asked "three" times by the other referee to hand him the ball. Ignoring the referee, he then drives to the basket and shoots a lay-up. Player from Team B is then hit with a Technical foul for delaying the game. Please give feed back as to what you would have, and how you would have administered these three fouls?

[BktBallRef]

Is team B in the bonus? If so, the B player shoots his FTs with no one on the lane.

B then shoots the FTs for the T against A.

A then shoots the FTs for the T against B.

A gets the ball at the division line, opposite the table.

BTW, these are not simultaneous technical fouls.

[rainmaker]

Originally posted by BktBallRef
BTW, these are not simultaneous technical fouls.

Is it the mythical false multiple foul?? Cool! Somebody save this thread for posterity...

[Back In The Saddle]

I'm surprised this didn't end up on this years Part II test!

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by rainmaker

Is it the mythical false multiple foul?? Cool! Somebody save this thread for posterity...

It's a false multiple foul followed by a false double foul.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by BktBallRef

It's a false multiple foul followed by a false double foul.

Followed by MTD Sr. having an orgasm.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

Followed by MTD Sr. having an orgasm.

The second foul made it a false double foul, the third foul made it a false multiple foul. So both types of "false" fouls occured in this play.

MTD, Sr.

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.
The second foul made it a false double foul, the third foul made it a false multiple foul. So both types of "false" fouls occured in this play.

That would be incorrect.

Personal foul on A.

Technical foul on A. (False multiple foul)

Technical foul on B. (False double foul)

[JugglingReferee]

Like a double negative makes proof positive, do two falses make a truth?

Can someone make a truth table for all these weird fouls?

I love the way we administer penalties for fouls in the order that they happened.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally posted by BktBallRef

That would be incorrect.

Personal foul on A.

Technical foul on A. (False multiple foul)

Technical foul on B. (False double foul)

Me bad, I was reading the dang post backwards.

MTD, Sr.

[Bart Tyson]

Originally posted by bcooley66


Team B player secures the ball and is asked "three" times by the other referee to hand him the ball. Ignoring the referee, he then drives to the basket and shoots a lay-up. Player from Team B is then hit with a Technical foul for delaying the game.

Could this have been a unsporting T? And since this was a delay of game T, is it a team T or personal T?

[rainmaker]

Originally posted by Bart Tyson

Could this have been a unsporting T? And since this was a delay of game T, is it a team T or personal T?

Yes, it's an unsporting T. Which in NF is both a personal T and a team T. You've been doing some college lately?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by rainmaker

Yes, it's an unsporting T. Which in NF is both a personal T and a team T.

Are you gonna charge this player with a T, and also charge the team with a T? Or am reading this wrong? Methinks R10-3-6a or 6b covers it pretty well, as a player T.

Question??? Some officials(maybe from Ohio) might also notice, that in addition to delaying the game, the player also committed the dastardly deed of shooting a lay-up. Rule 2-7-4 specifically bans practising during a dead ball,except between halves. My questions are(1)would anybody call this? and (2)if you did,what is the penalty?

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

Are you gonna charge this player with a T, and also charge the team with a T? Or am reading this wrong? Methinks R10-3-6a or 6b covers it pretty well, as a player T.

Question??? Some officials(maybe from Ohio) might also notice, that in addition to delaying the game, the player also committed the dastardly deed of shooting a lay-up. Rule 2-7-4 specifically bans practising during a dead ball,except between halves. My questions are(1)would anybody call this? and (2)if you did,what is the penalty?

Now what just a minute! The only logical foul in this situation is a technical foul charged directly to B1 for unsportsmanlike conduct. That is the description that best fits this crime.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

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Question??? Some officials(maybe from Ohio) might also notice, that in addition to delaying the game, the player also committed the dastardly deed of shooting a lay-up. Rule 2-7-4 specifically bans practising during a dead ball,except between halves. My questions are(1)would anybody call this? and (2)if you did,what is the penalty? [/B][/QUOTE]


Now what just a minute! The only logical foul in this situation is a technical foul charged directly to B1 for unsportsmanlike conduct. That is the description that best fits this crime.
[/B][/QUOTE]Agree, Mark. I just posting a what-if.I wanted to know if anybody would make a practising-during-a-dead-ball call in addition to the player T, and also what is the penalty for the illegal practising if it is called.

Actually, I asked because this reminded me of a call that you said that you once made. To wit, the one where a player jumped off a teammate's back and then dunked the ball. I believe that your call was a T for climbing on or lifting a teammate, followed by another T for dunking a dead ball. The play above is somewhat similar.