[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

No, I just see this case being discussed and the mishigos of its being an IW rather than just calling it a correct ruling of dead ball in possession.

If someone clearly got to it first, and you lost sight of it because it was sandwiched between the front of his frame and the ground, and not because of parallax, then yeah. Whatever other ruling you make -- because you can't see the ball as players struggle over it, and therefore don't know when it's dead -- will be arbitrary. You can make up a game like the one you described wherein you allow some players to continue to wrestle over it while you gradually eliminate others, but that has less cx with actual football than does my assertion of dead ball as soon as someone sandwiches it with the ground.

You know, I asked you to clarify where you were coming from because I thought there might be a point in there somewhere. I was wrong. Every time you speak, you dig your hole just a little deeper. Stop now before you become Carl Crawford.