Illegal motion or shift?

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Illegal motion.

If he stopped but for less than a second -- which is more likely as I picture this play -- you'd have an illegal shift.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by mbyron

If he stopped but for less than a second -- which is more likely as I picture this play -- you'd have an illegal shift.

I suspect you're right, but given the OP as written, IM.

[Canned Heat]

Originally Posted by mbyron

If he stopped but for less than a second -- which is more likely as I picture this play -- you'd have an illegal shift.

Had this actually happen in a JV game a few weeks back. Flanker went in motion and got reset....LB shifted to the outside. QB came forward and was still creeping forward when he got the ball...no 1 second pause or getting set. Tried QB sneak up middle. Flag at snap.

Play was on 4th down...Team A didn't get 1st down...B declined penalty and took ball, tournover on downs.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by mbyron

If he stopped but for less than a second -- which is more likely as I picture this play -- you'd have an illegal shift.

In NCAA, a shift involves two or more players, so assuming this is the only player moving, I think it would either be illegal motion or nothing.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Welpe

In NCAA, a shift involves two or more players, so assuming this is the only player moving, I think it would either be illegal motion or nothing.

Really? So if you have one player "shift," set for less than a second, and the ball is snapped, you have no foul?

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Really? So if you have one player "shift," set for less than a second, and the ball is snapped, you have no foul?

Do you meant if you have one player go in motion (one player cannot shift)? He didn't say you'd have no foul - you'd have illegal motion.

[bigjohn]

ILLEGAL MOTION, SHIFT
7.2.7 SITUATION: The quarterback by voice command has signaled his teammates
to assume a set position while he is standing upright behind the center.
The quarterback steps forward and places his hands under the center to receive
the snap: (a) at the instant the snap is made; or (b) which is made after he is
motionless, but prior to one second having elapsed; or (c) which is made after he
is motionless for one second; or (d) which is made after he is motionless for one
second, but while he is stepping backward with one foot as the snap is made.
RULING: In (a), it is illegal motion. In (b), it is an illegal shift. In (c), it is legal. In
(d), it is legal unless a teammate is also in motion at the snap. COMMENT: If the
quarterback drops his hands under the snapper without stepping forward, it is a
shift and not motion. (2-39; 7-2-6)

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

ILLEGAL MOTION, SHIFT
7.2.7 SITUATION: The quarterback by voice command has signaled his teammates
to assume a set position while he is standing upright behind the center.
The quarterback steps forward and places his hands under the center to receive
the snap: (a) at the instant the snap is made; or (b) which is made after he is
motionless, but prior to one second having elapsed; or (c) which is made after he
is motionless for one second; or (d) which is made after he is motionless for one
second, but while he is stepping backward with one foot as the snap is made.
RULING: In (a), it is illegal motion. In (b), it is an illegal shift. In (c), it is legal. In
(d), it is legal unless a teammate is also in motion at the snap. COMMENT: If the
quarterback drops his hands under the snapper without stepping forward, it is a
shift and not motion. (2-39; 7-2-6)

Are you making a point, or just copying stuff?

There is no rule 7.2.7 nor AR 7.2.7.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Are you making a point, or just copying stuff?

There is no rule 7.2.7 nor AR 7.2.7.

He quoted a NF case play to answer an NCAA question.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Do you meant if you have one player go in motion (one player cannot shift)? He didn't say you'd have no foul - you'd have illegal motion.

I guess that's my question then: in NCAA you can have a flag for illegal motion when no player is moving?