Nfhs 7-3-1

[MD Longhorn]

Can you post the rule that says the holder must rise?

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Can you post the rule that says the holder must rise?

It's 4-2-2a Exception 1:
"1. The ball remains live if, at the snap, a place-kick holder with his knee(s) on the
ground and with a teammate in kicking position catches or recovers the snap while
his knee(s) is on the ground and places the ball for a kick, or if he rises to advance,
hand, kick or pass;"

For example:
4.2.2 SITUATION A: K1 has one knee on the ground to hold for an apparent
field-goal attempt. K2 is in position to kick. K1 catches the snap and: (a) places
the ball which is kicked by K2; or (b) rises and either runs or passes; or (c) without
rising, flips the ball to K2 who attempts to run. RULING: Legal in (a) and (b).
In (c), the ball becomes dead immediately when K1 tosses it to K2 while K1 has
his knee on the ground. (4-2-2a Exception)

[Mike L]

So the ball becomes immediately dead if the holder with knee on ground hands the ball backward. So what? It does not invalidate the rule statement. He CAN hand it back with no risk of penalty. It's just that the ball becomes dead immediately. It would be the same thing if a runner handed it back to a teammate who happens to be stradling the sideline. Or would you have a problem with that too? Or do you somehow need the rule to state for you here what is clear in other rules within the book?

[DrMooreReferee]

Originally Posted by Mike L

So the ball becomes immediately dead if the holder with knee on ground hands the ball backward. So what? It does not invalidate the rule statement. He CAN hand it back with no risk of penalty. It's just that the ball becomes dead immediately. It would be the same thing if a runner handed it back to a teammate who happens to be stradling the sideline. Or would you have a problem with that too? Or do you somehow need the rule to state for you here what is clear in other rules within the book?

Dude... seems like you have some issues yourself. ha ha..

[Mike L]

Originally Posted by DrMooreReferee

Dude... seems like you have some issues yourself. ha ha..

My issue is I don't enjoy pointless mental masturbation. If you want to take rule statements out of the context of other rules within the book that clearly have an effect on one another, knock yourself out and good luck.
And I got over calling people "dude" not long after high school.

[DrMooreReferee]

Originally Posted by Mike L

My issue is I don't enjoy pointless mental masturbation. If you want to take rule statements out of the context of other rules within the book that clearly have an effect on one another, knock yourself out and good luck.
And I got over calling people "dude" not long after high school.

Whatever you say,,, ummm, DUDE.

[kfo9494]

I am just a casual observer to this page. I try to come here during football seaon to learn the new rules and have discussion about rules during the season. There are many good answers that a person like me learns each year.
But I must agree with Mike. Taking one sentence out of the rule book and trying to make that rule apply, on its own, with no reguard for the other rules is simple confusing.
I do respect peoples knowledge of the rules but more incentive could be used to help people with rules and plays instead of sabotage people's understanding of rules.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Mike L

So the ball becomes immediately dead if the holder with knee on ground hands the ball backward. So what? It does not invalidate the rule statement. He CAN hand it back with no risk of penalty.

+1

I think this is the key point: forward handing is a foul, backward handing is not. It doesn't follow that all backward handing will be followed by a run.