Bouquet pass

Originally Posted by ajmc

The foundation for applying all rules is sound judgment and fairness. Considering the caveat, "after it is clear the ball has been thrown" to assess Roughing the passer as defined in NF 9-4-4, considering this contact a foul would seem inappropriate. Your assessment, this would not be a foul, seems to step through a logical progression.

Hmmm...OK...Your response to Rut's response means you would agree if Rut didn't throw a flag for roughing when the QB throws a short under-handed shovel pass to his RB when dropping back. Sounds logical.

[ajmc]

Originally Posted by Ref Ump Welsch

Hmmm...OK...Your response to Rut's response means you would agree if Rut didn't throw a flag for roughing when the QB throws a short under-handed shovel pass to his RB when dropping back. Sounds logical.

No, that really doesn't sound like anything remotely close to what I said, or at least intended to say. My response was targeted for a particular, very unconventional, play situation shown in the original video. If you don't agree with the answer, that's OK, but it doesn't work to simply apply it to a completely different question.

[bigjohn]

Most shovel passes take place behing the NZ so there is no DPI to call.

Originally Posted by bigjohn

Most shovel passes take place behing the NZ so there is no DPI to call.

How does this fit in the content of the thread?

[bigjohn]

I got roughing a dpi mixed up somehow. never mind!

Originally Posted by bigjohn

I got roughing a dpi mixed up somehow. never mind!

No problem...it's Monday!

[HossHumard]

The defender lowers his helmet to make primary contact with his head on a QB....that's darn close to a UR/Spearing in my books....