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Old Thu Nov 19, 2009, 02:03pm
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YouTube - Bethel College Football Trick Play
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Old Thu Nov 19, 2009, 03:39pm
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Roughing the passer?
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Old Fri Nov 20, 2009, 12:16pm
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Roughing the passer?
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Old Fri Nov 20, 2009, 12:45pm
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Roughing the passer?
It's close, but I would not flag it.
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Old Fri Nov 20, 2009, 05:37pm
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No.
Why not JR? I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, but I'm curious of your reasoning or philosophy on it.
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Old Fri Nov 20, 2009, 08:13pm
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Old Fri Nov 20, 2009, 10:52pm
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first angle looked pretty close to roughing. but the endzone view "exonerates" the defender, imo.

the ball appears to be INSIDE the 1 yardline. why on earth would you risk a pass like that? anybody know if Bethel was up or down by like 40 points when this play occurred??
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Old Fri Nov 20, 2009, 10:58pm
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Why not JR? I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, but I'm curious of your reasoning or philosophy on it.
For one it is not a conventional pass. It is in question as to if he still had the ball. I would give the benefit of the doubt to the benefit of the doubt for such an unusual pass. Now if the hit was several seconds later, then yes. But not for this particular play. I am sure some might disagree, but this is just my take. It certainly does not mean I am correct.

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Old Sat Nov 21, 2009, 07:51am
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I would give the benefit of the doubt to the benefit of the doubt for such an unusual pass.
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Old Sat Nov 21, 2009, 10:26am
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For one it is not a conventional pass. It is in question as to if he still had the ball. I would give the benefit of the doubt to the benefit of the doubt for such an unusual pass. Now if the hit was several seconds later, then yes. But not for this particular play. I am sure some might disagree, but this is just my take. It certainly does not mean I am correct.

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The foundation for applying all rules is sound judgment and fairness. Considering the caveat, "after it is clear the ball has been thrown" to assess Roughing the passer as defined in NF 9-4-4, considering this contact a foul would seem inappropriate. Your assessment, this would not be a foul, seems to step through a logical progression.
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Old Sat Nov 21, 2009, 09:43pm
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The foundation for applying all rules is sound judgment and fairness. Considering the caveat, "after it is clear the ball has been thrown" to assess Roughing the passer as defined in NF 9-4-4, considering this contact a foul would seem inappropriate. Your assessment, this would not be a foul, seems to step through a logical progression.
He said what?
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Old Sun Nov 22, 2009, 12:34am
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He said what?
I'll try again, the passer threw what can reasonably be considered an unconventional pass (2 hand over the shoulder, with his back towards the receiver) and the defensive end may very well not have realized the ball was thrown (as he was approaching the passer from behind) and seems to have committed his charge before realizing there actually was a pass being thrown.

So it may not have been clear, to the defensive end who made the contact, so there is reasonable doubt that the penalty requirement of, "it was clear that the ball had been thrown" was satisfied.
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Old Sun Nov 22, 2009, 10:15am
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He said what?
TRANSLATION: He doesn't believe that a foul should be called.
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Old Sun Nov 22, 2009, 05:01pm
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The foundation for applying all rules is sound judgment and fairness. Considering the caveat, "after it is clear the ball has been thrown" to assess Roughing the passer as defined in NF 9-4-4, considering this contact a foul would seem inappropriate. Your assessment, this would not be a foul, seems to step through a logical progression.
Hmmm...OK...Your response to Rut's response means you would agree if Rut didn't throw a flag for roughing when the QB throws a short under-handed shovel pass to his RB when dropping back. Sounds logical.
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Old Sun Nov 22, 2009, 06:50pm
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Hmmm...OK...Your response to Rut's response means you would agree if Rut didn't throw a flag for roughing when the QB throws a short under-handed shovel pass to his RB when dropping back. Sounds logical.
No, that really doesn't sound like anything remotely close to what I said, or at least intended to say. My response was targeted for a particular, very unconventional, play situation shown in the original video. If you don't agree with the answer, that's OK, but it doesn't work to simply apply it to a completely different question.
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