Counting 7 on the line

[refbuz]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I don't worry about getting reamed by anyone. But we work as crews on the field and one's mistake is everyone's mistake. I find the "I won't get my butt reamed" mentality awful, to be honest.'

While I agree with you, the live and die as a crew has some limitations, and really only applies to kicking an enforcement, not fundamental responsibilities. If your gonna ding the U because the BJ misses a DPI on his key, then I don't want to work for you. If that happened I would EXPECT the BJ, to get an earful from an observer because he wasn't doing his job.

On the counting:

We will both (the R and the U) agree on each play -- if not before, than after.

Besides, the LJ is counting the defense on my crew and the L is setting the down box and/or chains. By the time that's done (and the LJ's count is verified with the BJ) it leaves precious little time to count 11 on the offense, too.

I never even implied that the wings should be counting the offense. I merely, said that there's no reason that the wings can't count players on the LOS on their side of the snapper.

Your crew counts the backs and its great that it works for you.

What I don't get is why a wing would want to worry about a 4th back 40 or so yards away, when you could count 3 players that are 15-20 yards away?

just my $.02.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by refbuz

What I don't get is why a wing would want to worry about a 4th back 40 or so yards away, when you could count 3 players that are 15-20 yards away?

just my $.02.

Who said anything about being worried? The wing across the field is telling you who is on the line with a signal telling you what they have. Then you count. But then again, often times formations are all over the place and it is not like there are not most of the receivers on one side of the field. It not hard to do.

Peace

[bossman72]

You can easily miss a lineman in your count, espeicially if one of the outer linemen is "eclipsing" one closer to the center.

It's harder for a back to be "eclipsed" by another back, that's why it's easier to check the R/U punch for 11 and count the backs.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by bossman72

You can easily miss a lineman in your count, espeicially if one of the outer linemen is "eclipsing" one closer to the center.

I've seen wings miss a lineman this way because they act as if the encroachment rules applied to them.

We're allowed to take a step or two downfield to get an angle on the line.

[whitehat]

good point MB! I do that on the rare occasion I can't see a lineman.

...And actually I noticed there were 666 views to this thread and I really don't like that number so just adding one more

[refbuz]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Who said anything about being worried? The wing across the field is telling you who is on the line with a signal telling you what they have. Then you count. But then again, often times formations are all over the place and it is not like there are not most of the receivers on one side of the field. It not hard to do.

Peace

I don't disagree with you that it is easier counting the backs of the formation. But in HS your looking for 7 on the line, regardless of how many players are on the field for A.

All I am saying is that if you count the line instead of the backs, it removes any remote possibility of kicking a formation foul in HS. Provided that the guy across the field can count to 3.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by refbuz

I don't disagree with you that it is easier counting the backs of the formation. But in HS your looking for 7 on the line, regardless of how many players are on the field for A.

All I am saying is that if you count the line instead of the backs, it removes any remote possibility of kicking a formation foul in HS. Provided that the guy across the field can count to 3.

Those are too many possibilities. I count 4 after two officials have made a count (and one wing is counting the defense), it much easier to count 4.

Peace