Fumble ?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Patton

Agreed, but a foul during the down can certainly change the final outcome of the play. I'm not sure if the "keep it simple" was directed at me or RefSmitty. My intent was to highlight the use of the word bat, which is an intentional act and illegal, in comparison to muff and the difference it could make on this play.

Actually keep it simple was not directed at anyone. It was to say that what a force is by definition. What happens in the end zone does not apply or change the force. I am not talking about penalties and penalties have nothing to do with force. A penalty is a separate issue and will be enforced base on what kind of foul it is and where and when it took place.

Peace