Basic spot question

[Brandon Kincer]

I understand that running plays are penalized from the end of the run but what if A1 hands off to A2 and a touchdown is scored however during the run A3 was detected holding. Where is the basic spot?

[goodnews]

The basic spot is going to be the end of the run, in ths case the end zone. The foul happened behind the spot so you go to the spot of the foul to mark it off.

[waltjp]

Under the All But One principle -

For running plays, the basic spot is the end of the run. Fouls committed by the offense behind the basic spot are penalized from the spot of the foul.

For example -

2nd and 5 for A from B's 30 yard line.

A12 hands the ball to A40, who runs for an apparent TD.

(a) During the play A65 is flagged for holding at B's 22.

(b) During the play A65 is flagged for holding at B's 10.

The basic spot is the goal line. In both (a) and (b) above the foul was committed behind the basic spot. This is the spot where the penalty is enforced.

Results -

(a) A is penalized 10 yards from B's 22. 2nd and 7 from B's 32.

(b) A is penalized 10 yards from B's 10. 1st and 10 from B's 20.

[waltjp]

ZYS,

Your rule reference is wrong. You're citing text from rule 9-2-3 b, which applies to defensive players.

[HLin NC]

Padawan Brandon is talking Fed, thus we are talking Fed. Confuse him not, you will.

[zys]

Sorry, my bad, Master.

[Brandon Kincer]

Originally Posted by HLin NC

Padawan Brandon is talking Fed, thus we are talking Fed. Confuse him not, you will.

Thank you Master for your care and compassion towards my education of officiating the great sport of high school league football. - (Says Brandon as he bows.)

[Texas Aggie]

I understand that running plays are penalized from the end of the run but what if A1 hands off to A2 and a touchdown is scored however during the run A3 was detected holding. Where is the basic spot?

In the NCAA book, the basic spot and the spot at which the foul is penalized from is not necessarily the same thing. Certain fouls BEHIND the basic spot are spot fouls, so you need to know the basic spot, the spot of the foul and the enforcement spot.

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

In the NCAA book, the basic spot and the spot at which the foul is penalized from is not necessarily the same thing. Certain fouls BEHIND the basic spot are spot fouls, so you need to know the basic spot, the spot of the foul and the enforcement spot.

I believe the history of this one is that NCAA's was the traditional rule set, then Fed amended the definition of basic spot to slightly shorten the wording of application of penalties, even though the effect would be the same.

Robert in the Bronx