Sayville NY Protest

[bcl1127]

I am going to venture a guess here, but I don't think I agree with it at all...

I going to guess that the official did not think that he had possession when his knee was on the ground and then batted the loose ball.

Looking at the video I don't think that is the case but that would be my guess as to what the official on the field was thinking.

[daggo66]

It looks to me as if the offense actually recovers the ball and the defender rips it out and tosses it over his head in the process. It should have been dead before the defense even got it.

[Forksref]

Around here I've never heard of a protest even being allowed. Game over.

[rngrck]

Wow!! If I'm that official I blow the whistle right there, the ball is down at the recovery and game is over.

[OverAndBack]

Originally Posted by rngrck

Wow!! If I'm that official I blow the whistle right there, the ball is down at the recovery and game is over.

I would hope we all would.

But the brain is a funny thing. Sometimes we know what we should do and for some reason, we still don't do it. Especially in the heat of the moment, which is different from seeing it days later on tape on the internet.

As for a protest, there's no NFHS mechanism, but I would imagine a state could do it if they so desired. I think they'd be opening one hell of a can of worms if they did.

[TXMike]

ANother story from newsday.com ( a "heads up play" ??????)

Kings Park player is toast of town for heads-up playBY GREGG SARRA | [email protected]
12:18 PM EDT, October 9, 2008

Kings Park's Conor Kelly was at the center of controversial play that helped his team defeat Sayville on Saturday. (Photo by Joseph D. Sullivan / October 9, 2008)

This was Christmas morning for some on a fall Saturday afternoon. It was too good to be true for Kings Park linebacker Conor Kelly. An almost certain loss to Sayville seemed inevitable. Yet, somewhere in the recesses of Kelly's mind was the smallest notion of what if . . .

There is always a "what if" scenario in sports. That's why all football players at all levels from peewees to the NFL are taught from the first day of practice that it's never over until the final whistle blows.

Kelly made the season's most improbable, but totally heads-up play. With six seconds left and Sayville leading 35-27, Sayville faced a fourth-and-1 from its own 41. Quarterback Dillon Boos fumbled the snap and the ball bounced toward halfback Corey Caulfield. A diving Caulfield had the ball squirt from under his facemask as Kelly went down on to his knees and grabbed the ball. Kelly then threw the ball backward over his head 11 yards, toward the Sayville goal line.

Kelly, a 6-3, 205 pound captain, a three-year starter, is the toast of Kings Park for having the presence of mind to make the play and for battling until the clock read 0:00. The strong side linebacker came hard off the end on the final play.

"We're taught to never give up and that's what our coaches preach," he said. "I came in as fast as I could and I ripped it out of his [Caulfield] hands. And I wanted to keep the ball alive. So I thought we'd have a chance if I threw it toward the goal line."

Kelly laughed while recalling the play.

"It was so unbelievable," he said. "I took the ball and threw it over my head and then I saw [Sean] Russell running with it. I was in pure shock."

Russell caught the ball on a bounce and ran it in for a touchdown to make it 35-33 as time expired. A two-point conversion tied it at 35 and the Kingsmen won in overtime.

Boos still can't believe the finish.

"Coach Hoss called a quick kick to catch them off guard and I was going to toss it back to Corey," Boos said. "I fumbled it after the snap because I was trying to do it so fast. We had just come back from 27-14 and I was thinking this isn't happening. The ref was standing right there. How could he not see [Kelly] throw the ball over his head. You can't even do that in a schoolyard with 10-year-olds. It was totally illegal. That's not a play, that's not real, no way."

It's very real

[Jim D]

Originally Posted by TXMike

ANother story from newsday.com ( a "heads up play" ??????)

Kings Park player is toast of town for heads-up playBY GREGG SARRA | [email protected]
12:18 PM EDT, October 9, 2008

"The ref was standing right there. How could he not see [Kelly] throw the ball over his head. You can't even do that in a schoolyard with 10-year-olds. It was totally illegal. That's not a play, that's not real, no way."

It's very real

This is one of those plays that's easier to call from a distance than from on the field. At first, it looks like A might recover, but they held their whistles and the ball slips out. Then as the R closed in to see if B recovers the ball flew out of the pile. I think the either wing would have had a better look at it than the white hat.

This play could should have had a flag (which could have been picked up if needed) or a discussion after the play and a late flag -that wouldn't have been very good but it would be better than letting it stand.

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by TXMike

"Coach Hoss called a quick kick to catch them off guard and I was going to toss it back to Corey," Boos said. "I fumbled it after the snap because I was trying to do it so fast.

You quick kick with 6 secs. left and an 8 pt. lead!!??? You deserve to lose for that reason alone! (Although the other team might not deserve to win.)

[Murd]

Originally Posted by Forksref

Around here I've never heard of a protest even being allowed. Game over.

This protest wasn't allowed either. It was a judgement call and it's not reviewable.

[TXMike]

Originally Posted by bcl1127

I am going to venture a guess here, but I don't think I agree with it at all...

I going to guess that the official did not think that he had possession when his knee was on the ground and then batted the loose ball.

Looking at the video I don't think that is the case but that would be my guess as to what the official on the field was thinking.

NFHS allows you to legally bat a loose ball forward?

[Mike L]

Only in certain restricted situations, of which this example is not one.

[bcl1127]

My point was that while the play looks like there were many things wrong to it for me, I was just guessing as to what was going through the mind of the official in the video.

I did state I did not agree with the call...

[Bob M.]

Originally Posted by TXMike

NFHS allows you to legally bat a loose ball forward?

REPLY: No Mike...in Fed you can never legally bat a grounded loose ball forward, i.e. toward your opponent's goal line.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Bob M.

REPLY: No Mike...in Fed you can never legally bat a grounded loose ball forward, i.e. toward your opponent's goal line.

It's easy to Monday-morning quarterback, but this kind of thing happens when you get too close to the play, as it appears the white hat is. Fumble doesn't mean "get as close to the ball as you possibly can."